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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 2142152" data-attributes="member: 8461">I dissent on two points. I think that the main strength of the Seldarine comes mostly from their numbers, and not that their gods are particularly strong. As such, I think two of these deserve a lesser ranking. Specifically, Aerdrie seems like a better candidate for DvR 12 to me, since her most active worshippers would be avariels. Beyond that, she doesn't seem like she'd be more important than, say, archery (since it seems like virtually every elf is a skilled archer). Likewise, Labelas always seemed like a more quiet, reserved god. He struck me as the kind of god who isn't that strong, but is more about lasting a long time than making a large impact. He gives the elves their long lives, but this, like him, is a passive thing, so I'd place him at DvR 13 or so.I think Abbathor should be stronger. For one thing, when it's one evil god against a pantheon of good ones, he needs to be stronger just to maintain any semblence of a credible threat. He's really the only evil dwarven god for &quot;normal&quot; dwarves, since the other ones are racial in nature. Likewise, Abbathor represents greed, which is something I think all dwarves are somewhat at risk of, which means his influence is always present in their lives. I'd go with DvR 14.Same arguement for Urdlen as for Abbathor. However, he seems less connected to the fundamental nature of gnomes, especially since spriggans seem to worship him a lot. I'd say bump him up to DvR 12.I guess I really just don't think much of the weather, but it seems to me that the creature-comfort loving halflings would value their god of good relations less than the deity of good weather. I'd say switch Cyrrollalee and Sheela's DvR listings.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 2142152, member: 8461"] I dissent on two points. I think that the main strength of the Seldarine comes mostly from their numbers, and not that their gods are particularly strong. As such, I think two of these deserve a lesser ranking. Specifically, Aerdrie seems like a better candidate for DvR 12 to me, since her most active worshippers would be avariels. Beyond that, she doesn't seem like she'd be more important than, say, archery (since it seems like virtually every elf is a skilled archer). Likewise, Labelas always seemed like a more quiet, reserved god. He struck me as the kind of god who isn't that strong, but is more about lasting a long time than making a large impact. He gives the elves their long lives, but this, like him, is a passive thing, so I'd place him at DvR 13 or so. I think Abbathor should be stronger. For one thing, when it's one evil god against a pantheon of good ones, he needs to be stronger just to maintain any semblence of a credible threat. He's really the only evil dwarven god for "normal" dwarves, since the other ones are racial in nature. Likewise, Abbathor represents greed, which is something I think all dwarves are somewhat at risk of, which means his influence is always present in their lives. I'd go with DvR 14. Same arguement for Urdlen as for Abbathor. However, he seems less connected to the fundamental nature of gnomes, especially since spriggans seem to worship him a lot. I'd say bump him up to DvR 12. I guess I really just don't think much of the weather, but it seems to me that the creature-comfort loving halflings would value their god of good relations less than the deity of good weather. I'd say switch Cyrrollalee and Sheela's DvR listings. [/QUOTE]

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