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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8869603" data-attributes="member: 93670">Ive had a lot of warlock players have their pc  try to phonea friend or call upon their patron to act as a greater power they have ties with when dealing with things in a larger plot within the world over the years.  They have pretty universally been forces duesexmachina in that context and the talk about their patron relationship makes me very much agree with this.  The patrons even tend to be forces with power over large sections of the monster manual. It would be nice to be able to use fey or fiends without bov the never done jack for the arch~whatever trying to pull rank immediately before simply ignoring that tie for the remainder of the campaign. Clerics & paladins may not have much narrative teeth either but they don't have fluff quite so obviously & explicitly one sided.</blockquote>