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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8177396" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Yeah, I'm not talking just about players with Viking-Hat GMs here.&nbsp; The truth is that the default response you get when a player is described as challenging something a GM does is, essentially &quot;I wouldn't tolerate that at my table&quot;, maybe with some qualifiers about talking about it later or other things that still add up to &quot;players that challenge GMs are bad players.&quot;&nbsp; Its damn near the default response you get on this subject.What are players expected to take from this sort of thing?&nbsp; That they're going to get, at best, brushed off (theoretically until &quot;later&quot;, but one can question how often &quot;later&quot; actually happens), at worst vocally backhanded for doing so (possibly including by other players who have similar expectations). If someone doesn't think the majority of people get the take home from that that they are not to do that, whatever the reason, I kind of don't know what to say to them; as you say, people get that take home from all kinds of other parts of their life, why should it not somehow happen here?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8177396, member: 7026617"] Yeah, I'm not talking just about players with Viking-Hat GMs here. The truth is that the default response you get when a player is described as challenging something a GM does is, essentially "I wouldn't tolerate that at my table", maybe with some qualifiers about talking about it later or other things that still add up to "players that challenge GMs are bad players." Its damn near the default response you get on this subject. What are players expected to take from this sort of thing? That they're going to get, at best, brushed off (theoretically until "later", but one can question how often "later" actually happens), at worst vocally backhanded for doing so (possibly including [I]by other players[/I] who have similar expectations). If someone doesn't think the majority of people get the take home from that that they are not to do that, whatever the reason, I kind of don't know what to say to them; as you say, people get that take home from all kinds of other parts of their life, why should it not somehow happen here? [/QUOTE]

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