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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 4625324" data-attributes="member: 12731">I can understand the confusion.This is the original map the first (RHOD) Elsir Vale was based on:<img src="http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/kazapp/dnd/ElsirValeFRLocation.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />Most significantly, look at the river.River Shaar starts out a very long way from the Vale, in the Great Rift. Then it flows west, until it reaches Lake Lhespen. Somewhere there it changes name, to River Talar, which continues its westward flow through The Misty Vale. Outside this small section of the map it enters the Shining Sea above the coast of Lapaliiya, south of a city called Sheirtalar. The mouth of the river is almost one thousand miles west of its origins somewhere of the Riftlake.The only significant changes between Channath Vale and Elsir Vale is that the city of Lhesper has moved into the swamp, to become the ruins of Rhest. The city of Khormul has disappeared, and a fork of the river have been added to create Skull Gorge. In every other major way, the maps are identical.River Shaar -> The StonewashRiver Channath/Talar -> Elsir RiverLake Lhespen -> Lake RhestinLhespenbog -> The BlackfensChannathwood -> Marth ForestThe Misty Vale -> The WestdeepRathgaunt Hills -> Giantshield Mts (spelled Giant's Shield in 4E)The Wyrmbones -> Wyrmsmoke MtsThe North Hills -> Wyvernwatch MtsBandit Wastes -> The ThornwasteChannathgate City -> DennovarRethmar City -> BrindolThe 4E Scales of War reuses this same campaign location (explicitly referring to Red Hand of Doom). However, for no immediately discernible reason, they have reversed the flow of the river. And looking at the map in Bordrin's Watch, I'm flabbergasted to see that they have cut off the river at the Dun Hills (a mountain range not part of the 3E Elsir Vale, now reintroduced as "Stonehome Mountains").(If you can present another reason for these changes than pure incompetence, that WotC doesn't care for continuity even when they say they're reusing an old campaign location, I would be relieved to hear it.)To return back on (the threadjacked) topic, the geographical feature missing in between the Scales of War maps (the one in Rivenroar and the one in Bordrin's Watch) is the Wyrmsmoke Mountains. Or, on the above map, the Wyrmbones. (On the Rivenroar map, you can actually see the beginning of this mountain range cut off at the western edge of the map).To return back on the original topic <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />, if Elsir Vale generally follows the (3E) Forgotten Realms topography to the east, you would expect to find a big forest and some open land leading up to a sudden rise in the land. I don't have the DMG Nentir map in front of me, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to substitute the city of Three Swords for Fallcrest, seeing it too sports a cliffside as its major geographical feature.Hope this helps to clear up the lingering confusion (which comes easily, I agree) on what's what with Elsir Vale. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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