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<blockquote data-quote="TheSword" data-source="post: 9077079" data-attributes="member: 6879661"><p>I think there are two different points here. One is how easy it is for you to buy the kind of art you want for the prices you’re willing to pay for it. The other is how easy it is for artists to get decent paying commissions. The latter is something I care about a lot, the former is an economic issue. It feels like you’re equating the two. Just because you can’t find an artist, doesn’t mean artists aren’t getting work in fact the opposite might be true.</p><p></p><p>You’re telling me I could find an DM who will run a game that can be trained to be exactly the way I want to play in it, without me hurting anyones feelings. You’re damn right I would be fine! I’d be playing in the kinds of games I would enjoy and likely learning a lot about being a DM along the way.</p><p></p><p>Does that mean I wouldn’t DM? No, I enjoy DMing and the preparation that goes into it. In the same way that people paint for fun and relaxation when they could just take a realistic photo. Ultimately AI DMs will either be better than human DMs or they won’t, or they’ll be sufficiently different that it’s a totally different experience and people will make a choice as to their preference. This is not bad - it’s just the way life is.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You can train AI without stealing and it could still put artists out of work in theory. It feels a little to me like the copyright issue is a bit of a smokescreen to try and deny the development of the tech (which is definitely going to happen anyway). There are ways to resolve the copyright issues.</p><p></p><p>Maybe DJs isn’t a satisfactory analogy, but recorded music definitely is. When we gained the ability to mass produce recorded music, did live artists find themselves out of job? Because I could go to a shop and pay a pittance for a record and play it to a room full of people did that stop live musicians making a living?</p><p></p><p>No it didn’t. The Performing Rights Society developed the system of royalties and artists got paid for their work. So now I can play music in my workplace to entertain people without needing a live band in the corner of the room and I pay about £5k a year for the privilege and not an astronomical unworkable amount.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore there is always an interest in live music because there is something unique and interesting about the personal vs the impersonal. People like to make connections with people and I don’t believe that will ever go away despite the development of AI.</p><p></p><p>As [USER=6795602]@FrogReaver[/USER] said Artists need to adapt. Technologies and methods of presenting works need to developed that protect artists who don’t want their efforts to be a part of this. Capture questions, restricted samples, firewalls and technology I’ve never even heard of.</p><p></p><p>It doesn’t mean we can’t be sympathetic to artists and doesn’t mean we can’t actively look for authentic human produced products but the idea that folks have a right to prevent competition is just wishful thinking I’m afraid. Adapt and change. Or get left behind. Like the lift operators, bank tellers, supermarket cashiers, data entry clerks, human computers, and factory workers. Of course life expectancy in the western world has partly risen because most people aren’t being crippled from a lifetime of hard physical factory work. At the same time Travel Agents are a good example of an industry that has evolved to add a personal touch to something that would otherwise be automated… they become experts in the automation as well as offering confidence and protection for people who don’t just trust the internet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheSword, post: 9077079, member: 6879661"] I think there are two different points here. One is how easy it is for you to buy the kind of art you want for the prices you’re willing to pay for it. The other is how easy it is for artists to get decent paying commissions. The latter is something I care about a lot, the former is an economic issue. It feels like you’re equating the two. Just because you can’t find an artist, doesn’t mean artists aren’t getting work in fact the opposite might be true. You’re telling me I could find an DM who will run a game that can be trained to be exactly the way I want to play in it, without me hurting anyones feelings. You’re damn right I would be fine! I’d be playing in the kinds of games I would enjoy and likely learning a lot about being a DM along the way. Does that mean I wouldn’t DM? No, I enjoy DMing and the preparation that goes into it. In the same way that people paint for fun and relaxation when they could just take a realistic photo. Ultimately AI DMs will either be better than human DMs or they won’t, or they’ll be sufficiently different that it’s a totally different experience and people will make a choice as to their preference. This is not bad - it’s just the way life is. You can train AI without stealing and it could still put artists out of work in theory. It feels a little to me like the copyright issue is a bit of a smokescreen to try and deny the development of the tech (which is definitely going to happen anyway). There are ways to resolve the copyright issues. Maybe DJs isn’t a satisfactory analogy, but recorded music definitely is. When we gained the ability to mass produce recorded music, did live artists find themselves out of job? Because I could go to a shop and pay a pittance for a record and play it to a room full of people did that stop live musicians making a living? No it didn’t. The Performing Rights Society developed the system of royalties and artists got paid for their work. So now I can play music in my workplace to entertain people without needing a live band in the corner of the room and I pay about £5k a year for the privilege and not an astronomical unworkable amount. Furthermore there is always an interest in live music because there is something unique and interesting about the personal vs the impersonal. People like to make connections with people and I don’t believe that will ever go away despite the development of AI. As [USER=6795602]@FrogReaver[/USER] said Artists need to adapt. Technologies and methods of presenting works need to developed that protect artists who don’t want their efforts to be a part of this. Capture questions, restricted samples, firewalls and technology I’ve never even heard of. It doesn’t mean we can’t be sympathetic to artists and doesn’t mean we can’t actively look for authentic human produced products but the idea that folks have a right to prevent competition is just wishful thinking I’m afraid. Adapt and change. Or get left behind. Like the lift operators, bank tellers, supermarket cashiers, data entry clerks, human computers, and factory workers. Of course life expectancy in the western world has partly risen because most people aren’t being crippled from a lifetime of hard physical factory work. At the same time Travel Agents are a good example of an industry that has evolved to add a personal touch to something that would otherwise be automated… they become experts in the automation as well as offering confidence and protection for people who don’t just trust the internet. [/QUOTE]
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