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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6273132" data-attributes="member: 6681948"><p>First, I’m curious when he turns green and gains four arms (Grond is a longstanding villain in Hero Games’ Champions Universe…)</p><p> </p><p>Like Ahnehnois, I don’t see why this is needed instead of Barbarians, or would not be a prestige class designed for Barbarians. As a result, I’m comparing this to a Barbarian, leading to the following questions:</p><p> </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Good Will saves? Why? They hardly seem like disciplined, cerebral sorts.</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Same skill points (but more combat training), lose Craft (really? They don’t make weapons or armor?) and Handle Animal (but they’re still good riders?) and gain Sense Motive (they’re insightful? Why?) and SPELLCRAFT (seriously, dude, WTF? They are trained in the ways of Magic?)</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Any Evil? They seem unlikely to be Lawful…why must they be evil (non-good seems appropriate, but CN or even N seem WAY more appropriate than LE).</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No shield proficiency, but clearly they are intended to stick to 2 handed weapons anyway.</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">So, get all the advantages of Barbarian Rage and tack a few more on besides – how does that sound balanced?</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Reduce AC? How low can it be reduced? It probably sucks to begin with, so pretty minimal penalty for the extra damage. And he now doesn't spend money on AC items, so he has more to invest in even more ridiculous levels of damage.</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Uncanny Dodge (and its Improved version) just come later. Seems odd he gets them at all– he seems much less aware than a Barbarian.</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Battle Cry seems overpowered as well. The “free action” ices the cake.</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Does he get Improved Power Attack and Supreme Power Attack even if he does not have Power Attack? Seems like Power Attack should be in there somewhere.</li> </ul><p></p><p>So he loses out on Damage Reduction and Trap Sense to gain a better Rage, the Battle Cry, another damage bonus with a pretty limited down side and a bunch of extra feats culminating in larger size, and otherwise gets pretty much everything the barbarian gets.</p><p> </p><p>Seems like a very one dimensional damage machine in a game with enough fairly one dimensional damage machines already. Why would anyone play a Barbarian instead, given the choice?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6273132, member: 6681948"] First, I’m curious when he turns green and gains four arms (Grond is a longstanding villain in Hero Games’ Champions Universe…) Like Ahnehnois, I don’t see why this is needed instead of Barbarians, or would not be a prestige class designed for Barbarians. As a result, I’m comparing this to a Barbarian, leading to the following questions: [LIST] [*]Good Will saves? Why? They hardly seem like disciplined, cerebral sorts. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Same skill points (but more combat training), lose Craft (really? They don’t make weapons or armor?) and Handle Animal (but they’re still good riders?) and gain Sense Motive (they’re insightful? Why?) and SPELLCRAFT (seriously, dude, WTF? They are trained in the ways of Magic?) [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Any Evil? They seem unlikely to be Lawful…why must they be evil (non-good seems appropriate, but CN or even N seem WAY more appropriate than LE). [/LIST] [LIST] [*]No shield proficiency, but clearly they are intended to stick to 2 handed weapons anyway. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]So, get all the advantages of Barbarian Rage and tack a few more on besides – how does that sound balanced? [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Reduce AC? How low can it be reduced? It probably sucks to begin with, so pretty minimal penalty for the extra damage. And he now doesn't spend money on AC items, so he has more to invest in even more ridiculous levels of damage. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Uncanny Dodge (and its Improved version) just come later. Seems odd he gets them at all– he seems much less aware than a Barbarian. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Battle Cry seems overpowered as well. The “free action” ices the cake. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Does he get Improved Power Attack and Supreme Power Attack even if he does not have Power Attack? Seems like Power Attack should be in there somewhere. [/LIST] So he loses out on Damage Reduction and Trap Sense to gain a better Rage, the Battle Cry, another damage bonus with a pretty limited down side and a bunch of extra feats culminating in larger size, and otherwise gets pretty much everything the barbarian gets. Seems like a very one dimensional damage machine in a game with enough fairly one dimensional damage machines already. Why would anyone play a Barbarian instead, given the choice? [/QUOTE]
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