Do you require Dwarves to spend an Exotic Weapon feat to use the Dwarven Waraxe?

[Fenes 2]

I do not think every human will use a spiked chain - but if a dwarf can use a dwarven war axe one handed, then a human should be able to wield his "cultural weapon", be it Katana or Bastard Sword, one-handed as well.

 

[Gez]

I do not think every human will use a spiked chain - but if a dwarf can use a dwarven war axe one handed, then a human should be able to wield his "cultural weapon", be it Katana or Bastard Sword, one-handed as well.

Fair.

Provided

1° The katana (or bastard sword, that's the same thing) is indeed the cultural weapon of the human in question. (I.e., not "any exotic weapon of player's choice", but a weapon, not necessarily exotic by the way, defined by the DM for his homebrew's cultures.)
2° The character spend a Martial Proficiency Feat on that weapon or is member of a class that proficiency with all martial weapons, like the Fighter, the Paladin, the Ranger or the Barbarian (alternatively, he can also be a cleric with the war domain of a deity having the appropriate favored weapon).

 

[Fenes 2]

Yes. Now, who said that every dwarven society has to have the the "dwarven waraxe" in use?

 

[Mercule]

Dwarves should have proficiency with the Dwarven Waraxe and Urgosh for free. Gnomes should have it with the Gnome hooked hammer. Orcs should have it with the Orc double axe. Elves should have it with swords and bows (which they do). Halflings should have it with the halfling skiprock, and their throwing bonus should apply to slings as well.

And humans should have proficiency in bastard sword and double sword for free. These weapons relate to humans the same way the others relate to their appropriate races.

Oh, yeah! The halfling should be freely proficient with the halfling sai, halfling nunchuku, and all the other weapons that have "halfling" in the name.

 

[Grimsword]

I find the whole idea of forceing a Dwarf to pay an extotic weapon
feat to use a racial martial weapon stupid it promotes no balance

Has any one actually use a bastard sword a long sword or a two handed sword. I have in SCA and or renisaunce fair events it is much harder to weild a Two handed sword than either a long sword or bastard sword. A bastard sword is really a long sword with an extended Hitl so you can add your second hand to increase the power of your strike. IMHO it would make much more sense to require a set strenth to use a Dwarven War ax Urgosh bastaard sword great sword or great ax.

I would say that you should have at least a 12 strength for a broad or long sword or Kantana. A 14 strength for a Dwarven war ax urgosh Orcish doubble ax or bastard sword. ANd a 16 strength to weild a two handed weapon of any type. This makes
much more sense than requireing a feat to teach a weapon skill.

Also Kantana's are weilded with two hands except if you are using Niten style of useing a Katana in one hand a a wakizashi
with the other hand and thsi already takes a style feat and thats fine with me. Just as it should take a feat plus a minimum dex of 14 two wield a weapon with each hand.

<Grimsword>

 

[incognito]

For me the math is simple.

Humans get +1 feat and 1 skill point a level (4 at 1st), and the flexibility to muticlass into - whatever

Dwarves get save bonuses, darkvision, and some combat bonuses, but suffer from a 20' move.

In making a dwarven fighter, who might want to use the Dwarven waraxe, why force the the Dwarf to spend the equivalent of TWO feats (-1 for being a dwarf, -1 the exotic weapon prof.). For +1 damage, it does not seem reasonable.

So, for <insert race here>, if they have martial weapon prof. as a classs feature, then they get ac<insert exotic weapon> prof . for all weapons bearing thier race name for free.

Gives 1/2 orcs a nice bump too!

 

[Oni]

For me the math is simple.

Humans get +1 feat and 1 skill point a level (4 at 1st), and the flexibility to muticlass into - whatever

Dwarves get save bonuses, darkvision, and some combat bonuses, but suffer from a 20' move.

In making a dwarven fighter, who might want to use the Dwarven waraxe, why force the the Dwarf to spend the equivalent of TWO feats (-1 for being a dwarf, -1 the exotic weapon prof.). For +1 damage, it does not seem reasonable.

I don't see the logic here, dwarves aren't penalized a feat, humans get a bonus feat. Where in the world is this spending the equivalent of two feats coming from?

 

[Oni]

I would say that you should have at least a 12 strength for a broad or long sword or Kantana. A 14 strength for a Dwarven war ax urgosh Orcish doubble ax or bastard sword. ANd a 16 strength to weild a two handed weapon of any type. This makes
much more sense than requireing a feat to teach a weapon skill.

I have to say that I really think that is not a good idea from both a game balance point of view and from a realistic point of view.

Game balance - allowing access to better weapons only to higher strength charcters only makes high stats that much more important, and makes it more difficult to make a fighter that isn't a str based tank.

Realistic - 10-11 is supposedly the avg str range of human. Would you really say that a person of avg strength would be unable to effectively wield a long sword (arg a terrible misnomer if ever there was one) or a katana. Historically speaking an arming sword or a bastard sword would weigh in between 2-2.5 lbs and a katana less that that (it's actually a very light weapon). An interesting note historically rapiers outweighed most broadswords by about a pound because of the compound hilt (though the point of balance was much closer to the users hand).

 

[Jasperak]

I handle questioning D&D rules and interpretations the same way rules are challenged in the NFL (National Football League.) If I wanted to change a rule for my game there would have to be conclusive evidence that the rule is unballanced or unwarrented.

In this case, since I agree with the current rules concerning exotic weapons I see no reason to give away proficiency with any of them, especially if they seem like they would need more training than the standard martial weapons. Now cases can be made for certain weapons like the bastard sword and the katana, but racial weapons... If one of those weapons would neccessiate extra training to keep from poking yourself in the foot, then it becomes an exotic weapon.

I must say though that I am biased, I am a humanophile to the core. I refuse to give the demi-human races any more abilities than they already have. Just because the Orcs make a double bladed axe does not mean then can keep from slicing their own hand off during the follow through.

There just is not enough reason to change the rules. IMHO

 

[da chicken]

Here's a fair reason dwarves don't get a free EWP: they don't have a racial Str bonus. That means the average dwarf can't use the dwarven waraxe one-handed (requires Str 13)!