Do you "save" the PCs?

[Fifth Element]

If the players believe they are playing game #1 then there is an issue.

Yes, we've been over that and agreed. Now let's just say the players did sign up for game #2, and proceed from there.

 

[Fifth Element]

But who cares? I had a paper towel handy. I cleaned it up. No biggie.

Indeed. Perhaps a perfect Sandwich Maker (SM) would not have spilled the mayo. But you and I and everyone else are human, and are liable to make small messes from time to time. The choice then becomes: do you leave the mess there to rot while cursing yourself for not being perfect and worrying what others might think of you if they found out, or do you wipe it up and enjoy your delicious sandwich?

 

[catsclaw227]

If you concluded from this that (1) you were not responsible for spilling the mayo, (2) not being careful with the mayo is a good idea, or (3) it is better to clean up the mayo than not to spill it in the first place, then you have indeed proven Exploder Wizard wrong.

And if he didn't conclude any of the above, but instead simply realized he made a mistake and cleaned it up?

I think the point is that having a paper towel ready to clean up the mess (fudging) is OK, because human beings (DMs, adventure writers, etc) make mistakes.

Does this mean that I need to fully disclose to my wife and kids (for whom I might make another set of sandwiches) that I spilled a drop of mayo, or can I clean it up and move on? She knows I am human and may make a spill once in a while.

 

[ExploderWizard]

Yes, we've been over that and agreed. Now let's just say the players did sign up for game #2, and proceed from there.

Ok. If the players agree that game # 2 is more to their liking then everyone is happy with what is happening.

Or, as Darth Vader would put it:

There is no conflict...........

 

[Nagol]

And if he didn't conclude any of the above, but instead simply realized he made a mistake and cleaned it up?

I think the point is that having a paper towel ready to clean up the mess (fudging) is OK, because human beings (DMs, adventure writers, etc) make mistakes.

Does this mean that I need to fully disclose to my wife and kids (for whom I might make another set of sandwiches) that I spilled a drop of mayo, or can I clean it up and move on? She knows I am human and may make a spill once in a while.

Perhaps your wife would like to know so as to keep track of the general cleanliness of the kitchen (mine sure does). My wife has a different aesthetic sense and would want to potentially really clean the area before someone got food poisoning.

If I don't tell her then she won't think about it. If you do inform her then she can at least make informed choices herself. I find being forthright the best approach in general.

 

[Plane Sailing]

I think that after 53 pages and the conversation has drifted into the relative merits of cleaning up the kitchen, this thread has come to an end.

I'm pretty sure that everyone who wants to express an opinion here has been able to do so (indeed, it seems that part of the problem is that some people can't stop expressing their opinion).

It is fair to say that it has generated all the light it is likely to, and seems that positions are pretty much entrenched, so I'm going to close this thread.

If anyone thinks that there is as yet a good reason for it to remain open, then PM or email me with your reasoning. Until that point.

 

[Umbran]

Left browser open for several hours, failed to see thread was closed.