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<blockquote data-quote="Greenwheat" data-source="post: 9239631" data-attributes="member: 7042331">This is correct... but feels really weird when compared to casters. At least looking at Extra Attack (and analogous features for other classes) when compared to cantrips. Not only does the fourth cantrip damage die come on at 17th, and the Fighter's fourth attack not until 20th, but also the cantrip scales across all classes.If I build a Sorcerer 10/Warlock 7 character, I'm 17th level for the purposes of cantrip damage, and I get to make four attacks. If I build a Fighter 10/Paladin 7, I get... two attacks. Granted with smites on top, but I'm smiting as a 7th-level Paladin.I'm curious how badly it'd break things to swap the fourth attack to 17th, and the second Action Surge to 20th levels. And really, I'm not sure that allowing the Fighter version of Extra Attack to scale on total class level is so terrible. You'd need to go five levels into Fighter for it after all, which is a substantial investment in most campaigns. It'd also free up some design space for Fighters to do something a bit more impressive at 11th and 17th level than just keep pace with something that most casters get as a backup option.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenwheat, post: 9239631, member: 7042331"] This is correct... but feels really weird when compared to casters. At least looking at Extra Attack (and analogous features for other classes) when compared to cantrips. Not only does the fourth cantrip damage die come on at 17th, and the Fighter's fourth attack not until 20th, but also the cantrip scales across all classes. If I build a Sorcerer 10/Warlock 7 character, I'm 17th level for the purposes of cantrip damage, and I get to make four attacks. If I build a Fighter 10/Paladin 7, I get... two attacks. Granted with smites on top, but I'm smiting as a 7th-level Paladin. I'm curious how badly it'd break things to swap the fourth attack to 17th, and the second Action Surge to 20th levels. And really, I'm not sure that allowing the Fighter version of Extra Attack to scale on total class level is so terrible. You'd need to go five levels into Fighter for it after all, which is a substantial investment in most campaigns. It'd also free up some design space for Fighters to do something a bit more impressive at 11th and 17th level than just keep pace with something that most casters get as a backup option. [/QUOTE]

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