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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9240748" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I would quibble about whether it was well-thought-out, but yeah, regular cantrips don't compare to Extra Attack hits. That's why it's a whole-donkey invocation to get it as a Warlock. (I say &quot;regular&quot; because eldritch blast with Agonizing Blast actually is comparable to Extra Attack: 4x(1d10+5), each ray an individual attack that can crit? Yeah that's basically Fighter Extra Attack.)The actual equivalent to getting Extra Attack on a cantrip is to add your spellcasting modifier per damage die. Because, for example, 4d8+5 with 70% accuracy is far worse than 4x(1d8+5) with 60% accuracy each...especially because the latter can crit and the former (usually) cannot, since that's a 5% chance on each attack to add another d8. And that's not even an optimized melee attack.The much bigger issue is that spells are usually worth several rounds' worth of martial attacks, and cantrips, while (usually) inferior to Extra Attack effects, do still slow down the martial characters' ability to catch back up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9240748, member: 6790260"] I would quibble about whether it was well-thought-out, but yeah, regular cantrips don't compare to Extra Attack hits. That's why it's a whole-donkey invocation to get it as a Warlock. (I say "regular" because [I]eldritch blast[/I] with Agonizing Blast actually [I]is[/I] comparable to Extra Attack: 4x(1d10+5), each ray an individual attack that can crit? Yeah that's basically Fighter Extra Attack.) The [I]actual[/I] equivalent to getting Extra Attack on a cantrip is to add your spellcasting modifier per damage die. Because, for example, 4d8+5 with 70% accuracy is far worse than 4x(1d8+5) with 60% accuracy each...especially because the latter can crit and the former (usually) cannot, since that's a 5% chance on each attack to add another d8. And that's not even an optimized melee attack. The much bigger issue is that spells are usually worth several rounds' worth of martial attacks, and cantrips, while (usually) inferior to Extra Attack effects, do still slow down the martial characters' ability to catch back up. [/QUOTE]

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