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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RBolyar2" data-source="post: 5701191" data-attributes="member: 95658">I don't mind the point buy-sell off for one simple reason. It keeps everyone equal by rule. Everyone has the same number of points and therefore are equally "heroic." What it helps eliminate is the parties who rolled their stats and luckily (or however else) got 17s and 18s, but who's one lowly member managed to roll a 6 here and a 7 here.  If you were to "roll" a character poorly, you've potentially not only gimped your character, but maybe your entire party. And while there could be some entertaining roleplaying with a character with low stats, the rollplaying would suffer.  Besides modern d20 games like 4e and Pathfinder have now really put the emphasis on just a couple stats as opposed to older editions. There are so many abilities and feats now to allow to you hit using other stats, ect. in order to make up for the dump stat that it really dosn't handicap you other than in a roleplaying sense - - - in which case... why worry about it? So you have a clumsy fighter. You knock things off the bar. Big whoop. You have an 8 INT with your paladin. You don't have to play them lawful stupid, they could have simply been so focused on following their deity they simply haven't aquired a lot other worldly knowledge. Those things don't make your character's less heroir... you're still cutting down dragons and saving towns.  Now I used to be absolutely against dump stats, but I begin to see the flavor they can add to my roleplaying experience. I'm currently playing a game where I have absurdly high stats as per the character rollup: 5d6, keep 3 highest, re-roll 1s AND 2s. And while it's fun to be almost super-hero like, it also makes the roleplaying aspects a little silly. The DM is forced to AMP the DC so high on some things, that they almost don't make sense:"So I'm going to try to scare this kid... and make him run away""Cool, roll for it""19, plus bonuses ... is a 31""Good job, the kid just stares at you""What?""Yeah, he's not intimidated in the slightest""Holy <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />, I could have scared that kid myself... in real life""Yeah... maybe" Extreme example, but you get my point.  The point but puts everyone on equal footing, and some chose to gimp their INT and CHA to make a Conan-eqsue Barbarian than that sure as hell seems to make more sense than the Barbarian with 20 STR (after racial) and no other stat lower than 12. You've now rolled the Incredible Hulk, but with Bruce Banner's brain in constant control of all that might.</blockquote>

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