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<blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 9221990" data-attributes="member: 59816">I have LONG LONG AGO wished for D&amp;D's next &quot;edition&quot; to simply improve on the parts of the game that are widely seen as broken or half-baked, without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.2024 will be an attempt to do this. We'll have to see how/if they succeed.One could argue that 2e was an attempt to do it with 1e, and that 3.5 was an attempt to do it with 3e, AND that Essentials was an attempt to do it with 4e.All of those had some successes and some failures, but they also had other problems. 3.5 was TOO EARLY for the designers to understand all the problems that edition had, so it didn't really address most of 3e's problems, and it fixed a few things that it didn't need to. Essentials (IMO) did a number of things &quot;right&quot; to fix some of the problems of 4e, but had confusing marketing behind it, was stuck with a chassis that didn't appeal to a lot of D&amp;D fans, and was too late to &quot;save&quot; 4e.One of the things that D&amp;D has always needed with any given edition is an attempt to reorganize how the information is presented (without doing too much to the information itself). The 2e &quot;Black Books&quot; did this very well, but they ALSO were &quot;too late&quot; to save the edition, and came alongside an experimental &quot;Skills &amp; Powers&quot; book, which, IMO, put the final nail in the coffin of that edition, even if the PHB, DMG, and MM were all much better than their predecessors.This is something that will hopefully be a feature of the 2024 Books. I know that they INTEND to do a much better job of Presentation (in particular with the DMG). We'll see if they succeed.But ALL of those attempts were never followed up with a SECOND round of iterating the rules without overhauling them. The REAL test to the approach, I think, will be (if the 2024 books succeed), the NEXT round of iteration-without-overhaul. Say, if 2034 gives us a &quot;60th Anniversary D&amp;D&quot; that still uses the basic 5e framework, but gives us another update of improving things that aren't great, and toning down things that are broken, while mixing in new tastes and desires.So to answer your question: No, I don't think that D&amp;D needs new &quot;Editions&quot; (like we usually mean the term), but it does need semi-regular careful updating.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FitzTheRuke, post: 9221990, member: 59816"] I have LONG LONG AGO wished for D&D's next "edition" to simply improve on the parts of the game that are widely seen as broken or half-baked, without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. 2024 will be an attempt to do this. We'll have to see how/if they succeed. One could argue that 2e was an attempt to do it with 1e, and that 3.5 was an attempt to do it with 3e, AND that Essentials was an attempt to do it with 4e. All of those had [I]some[/I] successes and some failures, but they also had other problems. 3.5 was TOO EARLY for the designers to understand all the problems that edition had, so it didn't really address most of 3e's problems, and it fixed a few things that it didn't need to. Essentials (IMO) did a number of things "right" to fix [I]some[/I] of the problems of 4e, but had confusing marketing behind it, was stuck with a chassis that didn't appeal to a lot of D&D fans, and was too [I]late[/I] to "save" 4e. One of the things that D&D has always needed with any given edition is an attempt to reorganize how the information is presented (without doing too much to the information itself). The 2e "Black Books" did this very well, but they ALSO were "too late" to save the edition, and came alongside an experimental "Skills & Powers" book, which, IMO, put the final nail in the coffin of that edition, even if the PHB, DMG, and MM were all much better than their predecessors. This is something that will hopefully be a feature of the 2024 Books. I know that they INTEND to do a much better job of Presentation (in particular with the DMG). We'll see if they succeed. But ALL of those attempts were never followed up with a SECOND round of [I]iterating[/I] the rules without [I]overhauling[/I] them. The REAL test to the approach, I think, will be (if the 2024 books succeed), the NEXT round of iteration-without-overhaul. Say, if 2034 gives us a "60th Anniversary D&D" that still uses the basic 5e framework, but gives us another update of improving things that aren't great, and toning down things that are broken, while mixing in new tastes and desires. So to answer your question: No, I don't think that D&D [I]needs[/I] new "Editions" (like we usually mean the term), but it [I]does[/I] need semi-regular careful updating. [/QUOTE]

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