Does Dying Remove Feeblemind?

[Chaldfont]

This came up in last week's game. Our poor ranger, who had died the previous week and was reincarnated by group's druid, was stricken by a feeblemind trap. Rather than pay to have a wish cast on him, the group decided to kill him and reincarnate him again, believing that the feeblemind would go away when he died (these guys can be pretty ruthless).

I allowed it, but by the rules, does this work?

 

[Argent Silvermage]

When the body dies the spell ends. so yes.

 

[Caliban]

When the body dies the spell ends. so yes.

Really? I don't think the spell says that.

The spell has a duration of "Instantaneous", which means that there is no "spell duration", the magic did it's job and went away, and effect is there to stay until it's fixed. He would still be feebleminded in an Anti-Magic field, for example.

I dont think death would change this.

 

[DarkMaster]

Really? I don't think the spell says that.

The spell has a duration of "Instantaneous", which means that there is no "spell duration", the magic did it's job and went away, and effect is there to stay until it's fixed. He would still be feebleminded in an Anti-Magic field, for example.

I dont think death would change this.

Now we are getting in a very philosophical domain. The spell damage it's body and not it's soul so being reincarnate in a new creature should "cancel the spell" If it's former body was resurrected, the damage would still be there since the former body was rebuild, the same "problem" would stay with the body.
The spell mention one creature now it's all a question of your definition of creature

Also according to SRD

Since the dead creature is returning in a new body, all physical ills and afflictions are repaired

 

[Caliban]

Now we are getting in a very philosophical domain. The spell damage it's body and not it's soul so being reincarnate in a new creature should "cancel the spell" If it's former body was resurrected, the damage would still be there since the former body was rebuild, the same "problem" would stay with the body.
The spell mention one creature now it's all a question of your definition of creature

Also according to SRD

Since the dead creature is returning in a new body, all physical ills and afflictions are repaired

Where do you get that its damaging the body? It affects your Int and Cha, is a Will save (not a Fort save) and it is harder to resist if you are an arcane spellcaster.

It sounds more like a mental condition than a physical, but I guess it's ultimately up to the DM.

 

[DarkMaster]

Where do you get that its damaging the body? It affects your Int and Cha, is a Will save (not a Fort save) and it is harder to resist if you are an arcane spellcaster.

It sounds more like a mental condition than a physical, but I guess it's ultimately up to the DM.

I don't know any mental condition caused by something else than a problem with the brain, especially permanent one. Also the spell mention one creature since you come back as another creature shouldn't the spell cancel anyway.

 

[DarkMaster]

I don't know any mental condition caused by something else than a problem with the brain, especially permanent one. Also the spell mention one creature since you come back as another creature shouldn't the spell cancel anyway.

Will save is to prevent insanity. the spell probably puts your brain through a lot and will save is necessary to resist the effect. Usually spell and ability affecting the mind/brain are Will save and not Fortitude save this one make no difference.

 

[Christian]

The spell effectively does permanent damage to Int and Cha. When a character is reincarnated, the new body gets fresh physical stats but keeps the same mental stats. I would rule that damaged mental stats carry through, including those resulting from a feeblemind. Either ruling might be reasonable, though ...

 

[Witchking of Angmar]

Shadow demons in the Book of Vile Darkness are incorporeal but are still subject to a feeblemind spell. This precludes the concept that the spell affects the physical mind of the being as shadow demons have no physical mind, at least not in the normal sense of the word.

Further, feeblmind explicitly states what can cure it: heal, limited wish, miracle, or wish. According to a literal interpretation of the rules, not even resurrection or true resurrection will remove a feeblemind.

 

[DarkMaster]

Shadow demons in the Book of Vile Darkness are incorporeal but are still subject to a feeblemind spell. This precludes the concept that the spell affects the physical mind of the being as shadow demons have no physical mind, at least not in the normal sense of the word.

Further, feeblmind explicitly states what can cure it: heal, limited wish, miracle, or wish. According to a literal interpretation of the rules, not even resurrection or true resurrection will remove a feeblemind.

And I agree with that since you are still the same "creature" which was the target of the spell but when you are reincarnated you come back in a fresh new body. Resurection just restore your body. But at the light of what you say above maybe the spell affect your "soul" (INT,WIS,CHA) then in the case of feeblemind you are right even reincarnate would not dispel it.