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does it seem lke tcoe Order of scribes wizard is largely solutions in search of a problem dressed up as an archetype?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 8140268" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Yes, it is. First level slots eventually are used almost exclusively for Shield and Absorb Elements spells at mid and high levels. I know this from experience. EVERY player of Wizards at mid and high levels knows this from experience. You have so many spell slots by those levels, and your cantrips (which scale) are so much better than first level spells, that they go unused. Certainly they are worth bringing back your awakened spellbook after it's dispelled, as draining that dispel from a foe is well worth a first level spell slot.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh no, it really doesn't. Your Spell DC doesn't scale great in this game. A single-target, save-every-round first level spell is not worth casting at mid and high levels. You should have cantrips which are much more effective than that. In fact wizards now have a cantrip which can reduce foe saves by a d4 and that will be much more valuable than a spell like Tasha's Laughter. Tasha's just isn't prepared by mid and high level wizards as a spell anymore. It would take up a valuable preparation slot that is needed for a higher level spell.</p><p></p><p>Circumstantial but sure. I am not saying there are no first level spells left to cast. I am saying you will have first level slots to spare for a thing like this.</p><p></p><p>Dude, have you played a mid to high level wizard? WHY would you be out of low level spell slots? What adventure are you on where that is happening? I really want to know. Because this is not an issue for Wizard players. There are lots of issues Wizard players run into, and "running out of lowest level spell slots at mid and high levels" just is not a common problem. Certainly not for "dealing with the higher level Dispel Magic from a foe" to get what essentially is an Arcane Eye spell (4th level spell) for a first level slot!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is HIGHLY LIKELY to come true. It is 1) not a spell prepared by foes in almost all published adventures, 2) is not a spell prepared by foes in almost all published monsters in the game, and 3) is not a spell worth preparing for most foes, particularly to combat an effect which can be brought back as a first level spell, because that is a losing battle.</p><p></p><p>But hey, if you are in a special rare kind of game where this is an issue, then sure. But it's such a not-representative-issue that I don't know why you are raising it as if it is. </p><p></p><p>Of all the things to be criticizing TreantMonk for, this is not one of the better and more persuasive arguments.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 8140268, member: 2525"] Yes, it is. First level slots eventually are used almost exclusively for Shield and Absorb Elements spells at mid and high levels. I know this from experience. EVERY player of Wizards at mid and high levels knows this from experience. You have so many spell slots by those levels, and your cantrips (which scale) are so much better than first level spells, that they go unused. Certainly they are worth bringing back your awakened spellbook after it's dispelled, as draining that dispel from a foe is well worth a first level spell slot. Oh no, it really doesn't. Your Spell DC doesn't scale great in this game. A single-target, save-every-round first level spell is not worth casting at mid and high levels. You should have cantrips which are much more effective than that. In fact wizards now have a cantrip which can reduce foe saves by a d4 and that will be much more valuable than a spell like Tasha's Laughter. Tasha's just isn't prepared by mid and high level wizards as a spell anymore. It would take up a valuable preparation slot that is needed for a higher level spell. Circumstantial but sure. I am not saying there are no first level spells left to cast. I am saying you will have first level slots to spare for a thing like this. Dude, have you played a mid to high level wizard? WHY would you be out of low level spell slots? What adventure are you on where that is happening? I really want to know. Because this is not an issue for Wizard players. There are lots of issues Wizard players run into, and "running out of lowest level spell slots at mid and high levels" just is not a common problem. Certainly not for "dealing with the higher level Dispel Magic from a foe" to get what essentially is an Arcane Eye spell (4th level spell) for a first level slot! It is HIGHLY LIKELY to come true. It is 1) not a spell prepared by foes in almost all published adventures, 2) is not a spell prepared by foes in almost all published monsters in the game, and 3) is not a spell worth preparing for most foes, particularly to combat an effect which can be brought back as a first level spell, because that is a losing battle. But hey, if you are in a special rare kind of game where this is an issue, then sure. But it's such a not-representative-issue that I don't know why you are raising it as if it is. Of all the things to be criticizing TreantMonk for, this is not one of the better and more persuasive arguments. [/QUOTE]
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