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does it seem lke tcoe Order of scribes wizard is largely solutions in search of a problem dressed up as an archetype?
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<blockquote data-quote="Willowhelm" data-source="post: 8140738" data-attributes="member: 7028004"><p>I don't have time to do this in depth right now (and apologies for the formatting) but i did have enough time to register and do a few quick ctrl+f for "spellbook" and in that chapter alone we also have another mage (with spellbook):</p><p></p><p>The spellbook contains:</p><p>1st level (4 slots): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/detect-magic" target="_blank">detect magic</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/mage-armor" target="_blank">mage armor</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/magic-missile" target="_blank">magic missile</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/shield" target="_blank">shield</a></p><p>2nd level (3 slots): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/misty-step" target="_blank">misty step</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/suggestion" target="_blank">suggestion</a></p><p>3rd level (3 slots): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/counterspell" target="_blank">counterspell</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/fireball" target="_blank">fireball</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/fly" target="_blank">fly</a></p><p>4th level (3 slots): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/greater-invisibility" target="_blank">greater invisibility</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/ice-storm" target="_blank">ice storm</a></p><p>5th level (1 slot): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/cone-of-cold" target="_blank">cone of cold</a></p><p>plus <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/identify" target="_blank">identify</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/gust-of-wind" target="_blank">gust of wind</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/magic-weapon" target="_blank">magic weapon</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/sending" target="_blank">sending</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/sleep" target="_blank">sleep</a>, and <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/tongues" target="_blank">tongues</a>.</p><p></p><p>Plus, as mentioned already, you can then access <strong>candlekeep. </strong>If your DM doesn't allow you to find spells in candlekeep then they just plain don't like wizards.</p><p></p><p>And at the end of the chapter it explicitly calls out that</p><p></p><p>"A wizard named <spoiler> lives in a tower twenty miles from here. I’ve loaned him a spellbook or two"</p><p></p><p>Chapter three has more spellbooks explicitly mentioned which include:</p><p></p><p>1st level (4 slots): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/detect-magic" target="_blank">detect magic</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/identify" target="_blank">identify</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/shield" target="_blank">shield</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/tensers-floating-disk" target="_blank">Tenser’s floating disk</a></p><p>2nd level (3 slots): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/detect-thoughts" target="_blank">detect thoughts</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/mirror-image" target="_blank">mirror image</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/phantasmal-force" target="_blank">phantasmal force</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/suggestion" target="_blank">suggestion</a></p><p>3rd level (3 slots): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/counterspell" target="_blank">counterspell</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/fear" target="_blank">fear</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/fireball" target="_blank">fireball</a></p><p>4th level (3 slots): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/banishment" target="_blank">banishment</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/dimension-door" target="_blank">dimension door</a></p><p>5th level (2 slots): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/contact-other-plane" target="_blank">contact other plane</a>, <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/hold-monster" target="_blank">hold monster</a></p><p>6th level (1 slot): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/chain-lightning" target="_blank">chain lightning</a></p><p>7th level (1 slot): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/finger-of-death" target="_blank">finger of death</a></p><p>8th level (1 slot): <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/mind-blank" target="_blank">mind blank</a></p><p></p><p>I'm not continuing to search because I don't want to read too much and spoil myself in case i play that adventure some time but i think it is clear that there <em>are</em> more spellbooks even in that adventure?</p><p></p><p>I haven't played DiA but in every (official) adventure i have played or DM'd the wizard ends up with more money to spend and spells to copy than time to copy them. Maybe that doesn't happen for you but it is not unusual. That restriction all but disappears with this subclass. It makes copying spells a practical possibility without stopping the entire adventure for a week and hoping the bad guys take a holiday too.</p><p></p><p>Quick Edit:</p><p></p><p>This sounds like a perfect opportunity for a subclass with the ability to switch out the damage type on their spells. Imagine if you went from a damage type they were immune to (or even just resistant) to one they were vulnerable to! Thats more that a 400% damage increase! I wonder if one exists...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willowhelm, post: 8140738, member: 7028004"] I don't have time to do this in depth right now (and apologies for the formatting) but i did have enough time to register and do a few quick ctrl+f for "spellbook" and in that chapter alone we also have another mage (with spellbook): The spellbook contains: 1st level (4 slots): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/detect-magic']detect magic[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/mage-armor']mage armor[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/magic-missile']magic missile[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/shield']shield[/URL] 2nd level (3 slots): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/misty-step']misty step[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/suggestion']suggestion[/URL] 3rd level (3 slots): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/counterspell']counterspell[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/fireball']fireball[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/fly']fly[/URL] 4th level (3 slots): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/greater-invisibility']greater invisibility[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/ice-storm']ice storm[/URL] 5th level (1 slot): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/cone-of-cold']cone of cold[/URL] plus [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/identify']identify[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/gust-of-wind']gust of wind[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/magic-weapon']magic weapon[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/sending']sending[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/sleep']sleep[/URL], and [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/tongues']tongues[/URL]. Plus, as mentioned already, you can then access [B]candlekeep. [/B]If your DM doesn't allow you to find spells in candlekeep then they just plain don't like wizards. And at the end of the chapter it explicitly calls out that "A wizard named <spoiler> lives in a tower twenty miles from here. I’ve loaned him a spellbook or two" Chapter three has more spellbooks explicitly mentioned which include: 1st level (4 slots): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/detect-magic']detect magic[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/identify']identify[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/shield']shield[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/tensers-floating-disk']Tenser’s floating disk[/URL] 2nd level (3 slots): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/detect-thoughts']detect thoughts[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/mirror-image']mirror image[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/phantasmal-force']phantasmal force[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/suggestion']suggestion[/URL] 3rd level (3 slots): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/counterspell']counterspell[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/fear']fear[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/fireball']fireball[/URL] 4th level (3 slots): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/banishment']banishment[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/dimension-door']dimension door[/URL] 5th level (2 slots): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/contact-other-plane']contact other plane[/URL], [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/hold-monster']hold monster[/URL] 6th level (1 slot): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/chain-lightning']chain lightning[/URL] 7th level (1 slot): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/finger-of-death']finger of death[/URL] 8th level (1 slot): [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/mind-blank']mind blank[/URL] I'm not continuing to search because I don't want to read too much and spoil myself in case i play that adventure some time but i think it is clear that there [I]are[/I] more spellbooks even in that adventure? I haven't played DiA but in every (official) adventure i have played or DM'd the wizard ends up with more money to spend and spells to copy than time to copy them. Maybe that doesn't happen for you but it is not unusual. That restriction all but disappears with this subclass. It makes copying spells a practical possibility without stopping the entire adventure for a week and hoping the bad guys take a holiday too. Quick Edit: This sounds like a perfect opportunity for a subclass with the ability to switch out the damage type on their spells. Imagine if you went from a damage type they were immune to (or even just resistant) to one they were vulnerable to! Thats more that a 400% damage increase! I wonder if one exists... [/QUOTE]
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