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does it seem lke tcoe Order of scribes wizard is largely solutions in search of a problem dressed up as an archetype?
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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8140975" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>For a significant percentage of groups, the HD adventures will be a huge crutch if not near instruction manual on how to run a campaign when they are starting. That is not a controversial statement and in the absence of things like the old wealth by level charts its tue only real yardstick to compare against for deciding how they should award things so scrolls get underutilized and spell books are treated like the days of 1st&2nd edition where magic was really rare because it was generally so powerful. Add in the general lack of caster focused gear that [USER=6982024]@BacchusNL[/USER] mentioned and that influence gets worse as it's stacked against a desire to give cool stuff to the non caster classes piles treasure high on them.</p><p>@baccusnl yes tasha's tries to address that generally completely ignored hole in magic items& feats five years and many sourcebook/he adventures in. The fact that it took them so long to even recognize the need coupled with the extreme hostility of the fairly recent dia makes it reasonable to wonder if wotc did that because they realize they made mistakes and need to do better in future HC releases or were just filling space.</p><p></p><p>[USER=6906155]@Paul Farquhar[/USER] yes I too see wizard players constantly asking those sort of questions in groups, but it shouldn't be ignored how that stacks up against practically every single library & bookshelf they encounter in their early HC experiences being a dud affects things.in past editions a group would tear apart any library/study/bookshelf looking for the spellbook & spell scrolls they logically expect to have a likely change of finding if they are going to find anything but in 5e the HC adventures teach them of how badly mistaken that assumption is. One example of a houseowned by a wizard(sorcerer?) with a library in it that both contain no scrolls and no spell books in cos where the owner is described as having been learning magic comes to mind where the owner also has neither and is really only a noteworthy example because it ties so many duds together in one place at the same time. We won't know how serious they are about the kind or stuff we saw in tasha's until the next HC comes out.</p><p>[spoiler="don't take my word on that cos thing though"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129629[/ATTACH]</p><p>awesome</p><p>N3m... a<em> locked</em> closet! t must be hidden there to keep it safe!</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]129630[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129631[/ATTACH]</p><p>N3t victor's workroom! maybe there?!</p><p>[spoiler="nope"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129632[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>N4P library! score right?!</p><p>[spoiler="nope"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129633[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129634[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129635[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>Well... hell what about one of the baddies or Victor?!... </p><p>[spoiler="it might as well literally say screw you on the first page"]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]129636[/ATTACH]</p><p>It doesn't include the teleport spell the adventure has been talking about, the glyph of warding he's been using, have a <em>single</em> complete spell </p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>That kinda stuff like LMOP's spellbook quest, all of DiA ,& that CoS middle finger doesn't happen by mistake. It happens when it's not even a consideration. & no happy accident of chance handling it elsewhere..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8140975, member: 93670"] For a significant percentage of groups, the HD adventures will be a huge crutch if not near instruction manual on how to run a campaign when they are starting. That is not a controversial statement and in the absence of things like the old wealth by level charts its tue only real yardstick to compare against for deciding how they should award things so scrolls get underutilized and spell books are treated like the days of 1st&2nd edition where magic was really rare because it was generally so powerful. Add in the general lack of caster focused gear that [USER=6982024]@BacchusNL[/USER] mentioned and that influence gets worse as it's stacked against a desire to give cool stuff to the non caster classes piles treasure high on them. @baccusnl yes tasha's tries to address that generally completely ignored hole in magic items& feats five years and many sourcebook/he adventures in. The fact that it took them so long to even recognize the need coupled with the extreme hostility of the fairly recent dia makes it reasonable to wonder if wotc did that because they realize they made mistakes and need to do better in future HC releases or were just filling space. [USER=6906155]@Paul Farquhar[/USER] yes I too see wizard players constantly asking those sort of questions in groups, but it shouldn't be ignored how that stacks up against practically every single library & bookshelf they encounter in their early HC experiences being a dud affects things.in past editions a group would tear apart any library/study/bookshelf looking for the spellbook & spell scrolls they logically expect to have a likely change of finding if they are going to find anything but in 5e the HC adventures teach them of how badly mistaken that assumption is. One example of a houseowned by a wizard(sorcerer?) with a library in it that both contain no scrolls and no spell books in cos where the owner is described as having been learning magic comes to mind where the owner also has neither and is really only a noteworthy example because it ties so many duds together in one place at the same time. We won't know how serious they are about the kind or stuff we saw in tasha's until the next HC comes out. [spoiler="don't take my word on that cos thing though"] [ATTACH type="full"]129629[/ATTACH] awesome N3m... a[I] locked[/I] closet! t must be hidden there to keep it safe! [ATTACH type="full"]129630[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]129631[/ATTACH] N3t victor's workroom! maybe there?! [spoiler="nope"] [ATTACH type="full"]129632[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] N4P library! score right?! [spoiler="nope"] [ATTACH type="full"]129633[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]129634[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]129635[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] Well... hell what about one of the baddies or Victor?!... [spoiler="it might as well literally say screw you on the first page"] [ATTACH type="full"]129636[/ATTACH] It doesn't include the teleport spell the adventure has been talking about, the glyph of warding he's been using, have a [I]single[/I] complete spell [/spoiler] [/spoiler] [/spoiler] That kinda stuff like LMOP's spellbook quest, all of DiA ,& that CoS middle finger doesn't happen by mistake. It happens when it's not even a consideration. & no happy accident of chance handling it elsewhere.. [/QUOTE]
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