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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6193372" data-attributes="member: 17106"><p>Yes, I am making this comparison. In the context of D&D, discretized, use-limited character abilities that enable supernatural outcomes are generally restricted to a certain type of character (spellcasters) and generally come with significant mechanical and in-world restrictions and implications. Attempts to relabel those types of mechanics in the Bo9S as being products of skill rather than supernatural power violates the norms of the game.</p><p></p><p>For context, there's a case to be made that PEDs should be allowed-if the goal is to facilitate the best outcome. After all, the lines demarcating this type of "cheating" are quite arbitrary, and the distinctions between medical treatment, legal performance enhancement, and cheating are unclear. The case that all D&D characters deserve equal "fiat" or "plot coupons" is pretty much the same argument, and giving fighters spells is pretty much the same thing. The merits of doing so are debatable in both cases.</p><p></p><p>The implications of your original post I quoted are equally insulting. Why is every fighter that's been played before the Bo9S (and after, for that matter), not 'cool'? Since when did the Bo9S (or anything else) introduce 'coolness' to the game?</p><p></p><p>Again, turnabout is fair play. Your original post insinuates that people who enjoy playing fighters and their ilk are incompetent or ignorant in some way, because they all haven't played a spellcaster. Obviously, this is false.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6193372, member: 17106"] Yes, I am making this comparison. In the context of D&D, discretized, use-limited character abilities that enable supernatural outcomes are generally restricted to a certain type of character (spellcasters) and generally come with significant mechanical and in-world restrictions and implications. Attempts to relabel those types of mechanics in the Bo9S as being products of skill rather than supernatural power violates the norms of the game. For context, there's a case to be made that PEDs should be allowed-if the goal is to facilitate the best outcome. After all, the lines demarcating this type of "cheating" are quite arbitrary, and the distinctions between medical treatment, legal performance enhancement, and cheating are unclear. The case that all D&D characters deserve equal "fiat" or "plot coupons" is pretty much the same argument, and giving fighters spells is pretty much the same thing. The merits of doing so are debatable in both cases. The implications of your original post I quoted are equally insulting. Why is every fighter that's been played before the Bo9S (and after, for that matter), not 'cool'? Since when did the Bo9S (or anything else) introduce 'coolness' to the game? Again, turnabout is fair play. Your original post insinuates that people who enjoy playing fighters and their ilk are incompetent or ignorant in some way, because they all haven't played a spellcaster. Obviously, this is false. [/QUOTE]
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