Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Does pathfinder strike anyone as too gamey?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6193789" data-attributes="member: 17106"><p>The game.</p><p></p><p>I don't think the monk has ever been non-magical. Vague? Sure. But always mystical.</p><p></p><p>That would be an example of the exception proving the rule. "Normal" does not mean "universal". The fact that you are only able to cite a few examples that most characters will never see in play is proof that they are somewhat abnormal.</p><p></p><p>So you're suggesting that breath weapons are as natural as bashing someone over the head? I don't think so.</p><p></p><p>I never played a thief in 2e; my only recollection here is that Baldur's Gate wouldn't let you do it, which is not necessarily what the rulebooks for the actual game said. As I stated, I can't recall for sure.</p><p></p><p>Really fast attacks.</p><p></p><p>AFAIK, fighters are better at melee combat and wrestling. If they weren't it would be a problem.</p><p></p><p>The Hercules example is misleading; the reason that he can do these things is that he has divine blood, as is quite clear in all the mythology. I would expect a D&D character with god status to be able to do them as well. In D&D terms, Heracles might have a few fighter levels (or might be solely represented by advancing as a monster), but that is hardly the source of his power.</p><p></p><p>Speaking more broadly, I see no reason to equate polymorphing and wrestling a river. I'm not aware of any particular ability that a martial character is 'owed' in response to polymorph. And for someone who seems so interested in citing fringe examples as precedent, I don't see you coming up with any examples through the editions of how martial characters ever had epic powers of this nature (particularly not at the levels we're talking about; Polymorph is a 4th level spell).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6193789, member: 17106"] The game. I don't think the monk has ever been non-magical. Vague? Sure. But always mystical. That would be an example of the exception proving the rule. "Normal" does not mean "universal". The fact that you are only able to cite a few examples that most characters will never see in play is proof that they are somewhat abnormal. So you're suggesting that breath weapons are as natural as bashing someone over the head? I don't think so. I never played a thief in 2e; my only recollection here is that Baldur's Gate wouldn't let you do it, which is not necessarily what the rulebooks for the actual game said. As I stated, I can't recall for sure. Really fast attacks. AFAIK, fighters are better at melee combat and wrestling. If they weren't it would be a problem. The Hercules example is misleading; the reason that he can do these things is that he has divine blood, as is quite clear in all the mythology. I would expect a D&D character with god status to be able to do them as well. In D&D terms, Heracles might have a few fighter levels (or might be solely represented by advancing as a monster), but that is hardly the source of his power. Speaking more broadly, I see no reason to equate polymorphing and wrestling a river. I'm not aware of any particular ability that a martial character is 'owed' in response to polymorph. And for someone who seems so interested in citing fringe examples as precedent, I don't see you coming up with any examples through the editions of how martial characters ever had epic powers of this nature (particularly not at the levels we're talking about; Polymorph is a 4th level spell). [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Does pathfinder strike anyone as too gamey?
Top