Does sniping while hidden deal sneak attack damage?

[javcs]

For that, they need invisibility. Or total concealment/cover.

Are you saying that possessing total concealment denies Dex to AC?

 

[RedShirtNo5]

Someone who is successfully hiding is currently visually undetected, but one good Spot check could render them visually detected; therefore at no point are they visually undetectable.

One good see invisibility could render an invisible person visually detected.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Are you saying that possessing total concealment denies Dex to AC?

I'm saying that total concealment obviates the need for a Hide check, since you cannot be seen; therefore, you are visually undetectable.

If one holds that anyone who can be described as 'experiencing stomach distress' must possess the nauseated condition, then I presume one would similarly hold that anyone who can be described as 'visually undetectable' must possess the invisible condition, which denies Dex to AC.

If one doesn't hold that meeting the description of a condition imposes that condition, then it's not clear.

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

If one holds that anyone who can be described as 'experiencing stomach distress' must possess the nauseated condition, then I presume one would similarly hold that anyone who can be described as 'visually undetectable' must possess the invisible condition, which denies Dex to AC.

Are there threads arguing about people experiencing stomach distress?

 

[Hypersmurf]

One good see invisibility could render an invisible person visually detected.

Right, but that's a specific case altering the basic rule. He's visually undetectable, save for the fact that someone's using magic to change it.

Unless one considers "provided he can react to the attack" to be applicable.

I do. I said I did.

Right, but I think it's a question that needs to be addressed by the individual DM.

The answer to "Does hiding deny Dex bonus to AC is not "Yes" or "No", it's "Do you consider hiding to render a defender unable to react to an attack?"

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Are there threads arguing about people experiencing stomach distress?

It's come up; in the context of "Is someone without a stomach subject to Distraction (Ex)?"

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

It's come up; in the context of "Is someone without a stomach subject to Distraction (Ex)?"

And the answer for that would be yes, you are still subject to distraction.

 

[irdeggman]

Is visually undetected a wider condition?

What I mean is are hidden, invisible, total concealment and blinded specific sub categories (or specialized sub sets) of "visually undectable"?

Or are they all the same and all "visually undectable"?

 

[hong]

Is visually undetected a wider condition?

No, visually undetected is a simple English description of what happens when someone is nearby whom you can't see.

What I mean is are hidden, invisible, total concealment and blinded specific sub categories (or specialized sub sets) of "visually undectable"?

Are these situations where people are nearby whom you can't see?

Or are they all the same and all "visually undectable"?

Maybe.

 

[billd91]

Right, but that's a specific case altering the basic rule. He's visually undetectable, save for the fact that someone's using magic to change it.

-Hyp.

But it doesn't change the fact that the hiding character, for any spot check that validates the successful hide attempt, is also visually undetectable.
The main difference between the two, hide skill use and invisibility powers, is the conditions under which visually undetectable no longer applies. Creatures using invisibility powers have the condition stripped for any opponent using magic or other means to see invisible creatures. Creatures using hide skills have the condition stripped for any opponent with a better spot check or for whom the conditions allowing the hide check to be made (concealment or cover) do not apply.