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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 9142196" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>Ok, found some more time to reply.</p><p></p><p>I don't think it was a "tip". It was just remarking on your seeming hyperbole - and I had said "Which is not to say it is the two word writing prompt I would give either." <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>But still, I think I would be pretty surprised if many people hearing someone was "chaotic and evil" would expect them to be well behaved at a dinner party, to keep their promises, or be someone you'd want to be caught in a dark alley with. And if told "no, really they're Really Chaotic and Evil", they might picture an out of control violent bad guy in a movie or TV show for a real life case or whatever the modern equivalent of the forces of chaos in Elric were or the modern equivalent of the Sabbat in VtM for fiction.</p><p></p><p>That Gygax's descriptions of Lawful and Good were sometimes so blatantly askew that one would choose them as the comebacks when asked about Chaos and Evil seems a sign that the words do indeed have a general meaning - and that Gygax (and genocidal people he liked to admiringly quote) missed the memo.</p><p></p><p> In fact, I would also be pretty surprised if someone was told a person was Lawful (what's that, law abiding?) and Good that they didn't get a goody-two-shoes picture in their head, for example. That those nine combinations of words don't flesh out a full picture isn't surprising - they're just nine categories.</p><p></p><p>But on to other things that "would be a useful starting place":</p><p></p><p>Is "Psychopathic" actually clear cut?</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER="Three Links on Why Psycopathy isn't Clearcut"]</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/03/ce-corner-psychopathy[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200512190000.htm[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/articles-of-heterodoxy/202212/do-you-know-a-successful-psychopath#:~:text=Successful%20psychopathy%20refers%20to%20the,and%20other%20traditionally%20negative%20traits.[/URL]</p><p></p><p>[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>But still, why not use it?</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER="Two Links on the Harm of Casually Using Pscyhological Disorder Names "]</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]'http://true']https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210330-the-harmful-ableist-language-you-unknowingly-use[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]'http://true']https://www.bgdblog.org/2014/01/racist-ableist-use-term-psychopath/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, no. I think I will emphatically disagree with "psychopathic" being better. I might even venture that there are some people that would be offended if someone kept on using it as a story prompt once they knew about the above. </p><p></p><p>But sure, there are others. Take "inspired by the person you disliked the most when you were in Kindergarten". I mean, certainly no little kids were disliked because they have autism or adhd and maybe hit people or knocked things over or disrupted class regularly because they couldn't neurotypically control themselves all the time in spite of their best efforts. Or maybe it was the kid with a food allergy who ruined parties because you couldn't bring your favorite cake, or the kid from another religion that made your teacher tone down the Christmas party, or the kid who would only come to your house to play and never invited you back because their mom was desperately afraid of his safety being around an abusive father. Who knows. I'm sure the person getting that prompt will set the story up so the kindergartener they disliked - what? Stopped being autistic? Has a life that's a bed or roses? Is still really miserable and disliked? I bet that's even more fun if the kid described somewhat matches the description of someone in the class.</p><p></p><p>I think I might pass on that one too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 9142196, member: 6701124"] Ok, found some more time to reply. I don't think it was a "tip". It was just remarking on your seeming hyperbole - and I had said "Which is not to say it is the two word writing prompt I would give either." :) But still, I think I would be pretty surprised if many people hearing someone was "chaotic and evil" would expect them to be well behaved at a dinner party, to keep their promises, or be someone you'd want to be caught in a dark alley with. And if told "no, really they're Really Chaotic and Evil", they might picture an out of control violent bad guy in a movie or TV show for a real life case or whatever the modern equivalent of the forces of chaos in Elric were or the modern equivalent of the Sabbat in VtM for fiction. That Gygax's descriptions of Lawful and Good were sometimes so blatantly askew that one would choose them as the comebacks when asked about Chaos and Evil seems a sign that the words do indeed have a general meaning - and that Gygax (and genocidal people he liked to admiringly quote) missed the memo. In fact, I would also be pretty surprised if someone was told a person was Lawful (what's that, law abiding?) and Good that they didn't get a goody-two-shoes picture in their head, for example. That those nine combinations of words don't flesh out a full picture isn't surprising - they're just nine categories. But on to other things that "would be a useful starting place": Is "Psychopathic" actually clear cut? [SPOILER="Three Links on Why Psycopathy isn't Clearcut"] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/03/ce-corner-psychopathy[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200512190000.htm[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/articles-of-heterodoxy/202212/do-you-know-a-successful-psychopath#:~:text=Successful%20psychopathy%20refers%20to%20the,and%20other%20traditionally%20negative%20traits.[/URL] [/SPOILER] But still, why not use it? [SPOILER="Two Links on the Harm of Casually Using Pscyhological Disorder Names "] [URL unfurl="true"]'http://true']https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210330-the-harmful-ableist-language-you-unknowingly-use[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]'http://true']https://www.bgdblog.org/2014/01/racist-ableist-use-term-psychopath/[/URL] [/SPOILER] So, no. I think I will emphatically disagree with "psychopathic" being better. I might even venture that there are some people that would be offended if someone kept on using it as a story prompt once they knew about the above. But sure, there are others. Take "inspired by the person you disliked the most when you were in Kindergarten". I mean, certainly no little kids were disliked because they have autism or adhd and maybe hit people or knocked things over or disrupted class regularly because they couldn't neurotypically control themselves all the time in spite of their best efforts. Or maybe it was the kid with a food allergy who ruined parties because you couldn't bring your favorite cake, or the kid from another religion that made your teacher tone down the Christmas party, or the kid who would only come to your house to play and never invited you back because their mom was desperately afraid of his safety being around an abusive father. Who knows. I'm sure the person getting that prompt will set the story up so the kindergartener they disliked - what? Stopped being autistic? Has a life that's a bed or roses? Is still really miserable and disliked? I bet that's even more fun if the kid described somewhat matches the description of someone in the class. I think I might pass on that one too. [/QUOTE]
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