D&D 5E Don't Throw 5e Away Because of Hasbro

[AlViking]

I saw it, the problem is that they did that to appease everyone, not because it is what considered it the right thing to do. The jerk who was intent on breaking the OGL contract is still in charge of Hasbro and I do not believe that he 'saw the light' here.

So what he got with the CC is a truce, no more. If he wants to gain back more than that, he will have to do more, we still do not have the 3e SRD in CC and the 2024 is still out too (the latter is easily explained though), so let's see how that goes first

Some suit somewhere was probably disappointed but that doesn't mean that the majority of people working on the game agreed with them but I only care about results not could-have-been or even motivation. This is two years old and I don't understand why people still care but I don't care to beat the dead horse any more.

 

[AlViking]

Judging by that article's title it seems rather blatantly biased against the OGL.

That doesn't mean the ogl was ever a contract, a license or any kind of enforceable legal document.

 

[Bae'zel]

Sometimes I wonder if there's a significant overlap of the most outspoken online detractors of WotC and D&D 5e and those who weren't playing the game anyways (ior had already sworn off the publisher and/or 5e lbefore the controversies).

 

[mamba]

They never considered breaking the law in any way since the ogl was not actually a license and was never enforceable.

patently false, they would have lost in court

 

[mamba]

Some suit somewhere was probably disappointed but that doesn't mean that the majority of people working on the game agreed with

doesn’t matter when the suit is in charge, and he still is the CEO of Hasbro too

This is two years old and I don't understand why people still care but I don't care to beat the dead horse any more.

we just explained it to you, if you still do not understand it (as opposed to agree with it) that is on you

 

[mamba]

That doesn't mean the ogl was ever a contract, a license or any kind of enforceable legal document.

it’s a contract, you pretending otherwise does not make it so

 

[TheSword]

Sometimes I wonder if there's a significant overlap of the most outspoken online detractors of WotC and D&D 5e and those who weren't playing the game anyways (ior had already sworn off the publisher and/or 5e lbefore the controversies).

I would stake my house on it.

 

[Faolyn]

There's also the influence of podcasts that search for outrage to fuel clicks. Some sites repeatedly exaggerate stories making huge issues out of small issues. Take the pinkertons story that I mentioned earlier. Yes, hasbro used a security company to track down what they considered stolen goods. I don't do mtg so I don't know how important an early release of cards is, but apparently it was important enough to pay someone to hunt it down. How else do people expect them to handle something like this other than to hire a company that does this kind of stuff?

• Asked YouTube to demonetize him or remove his account. Hasbro's a big company. YouTube probably would have agreed.
• If he's someone who works with WotC (in the sense that they send him things for review), they stop using with him. This will have the effect of causing his revenue stream to dry up by probably quite a lot, if he depends on MtG reviews.
• Hired a lawyer to send him a cease and desist and demand that he remove the video.
• Talked to the distributor to find out how he got the cards early and fix the leak on their end, and chalk the incident up to a an unfortunate accident.

It's not like the cards were stolen in the dead of night by masked bandits and he was hiding them in a hidden safe. He was out in the open about it. WotC didn't need to "hunt it down," especially with a group that invokes images of "leg-breaking goon." Even if the Pinkerton Agents were the nicest, most polite people (actually polite, not "leg-breaking polite") in the world about it, hiring them was a dumb move on their part. At best, it makes WotC look petty, vindictive, greedy, and prone to overreaction.

 

[Clint_L]

Sometimes I wonder if there's a significant overlap of the most outspoken online detractors of WotC and D&D 5e and those who weren't playing the game anyways (ior had already sworn off the publisher and/or 5e lbefore the controversies).

If this forum is anything to go by, I would say the overlap is VERY significant. Like, almost a 1:1 Venn diagram.

 

[TheSword]

• Asked YouTube to demonetize him or remove his account. Hasbro's a big company. YouTube probably would have agreed.
• If he's someone who works with WotC (in the sense that they send him things for review), they stop using with him. This will have the effect of causing his revenue stream to dry up by probably quite a lot, if he depends on MtG reviews.
• Hired a lawyer to send him a cease and desist and demand that he remove the video.
• Talked to the distributor to find out how he got the cards early and fix the leak on their end, and chalk the incident up to a an unfortunate accident.

It's not like the cards were stolen in the dead of night by masked bandits and he was hiding them in a hidden safe. He was out in the open about it. WotC didn't need to "hunt it down," especially with a group that invokes images of "leg-breaking goon." Even if the Pinkerton Agents were the nicest, most polite people (actually polite, not "leg-breaking polite") in the world about it, hiring them was a dumb move on their part. At best, it makes WotC look petty, vindictive, greedy, and prone to overreaction.

You’re describing a fantasy image of the Pinkertons straight out of urban myth. This is 2025 not Red Dead. I’ve known many people who work in security and your associating them with leg-breaking goons is also pretty unpleasant. In his video the streamer described them as very nice and polite. So you don’t need to ‘even if’ it.

A product that isn’t released yet appears on a YouTube channel by an unknown guy saying he’s got hands on something by accident. Of course they’re going to react and try to find out why. I’ll let you into a secret… managers for large companies are not crime fighters. They’re not PI’s. I’m also not sure why you think hearing from a lawyer, or having your YouTube account demonitised is less frighting. That’s the nuclear option.