Double-Yikes: 2000 posts?!

[Darth K'Trava]

Absolutely. Me, too. BUT - you're assuming that what they are saying they believe isn't a load of justification bull to do something that even they DON'T believe is right, but WANT to do, anyway. That is my point. And that is what I look for - the reading on my BS detector.

I used to believe as you do. Then, one day, someone asked me why I wouldn't hold everyone else to the same standards I hold myself. And I believe they are right. Holding them to standards I don't think I have to follow would be wrong, but why should I give them a pass on just holding their own compared to me? Or you.

It's kinda hard to hold others to your standards. Everyone's standards differ, even ever so slightly. Mine differ from yours and yours from Rystil's and so forth.... It's the differences that make us all human. And what makes for alot of the arguments that people have, usually over petty crap that ends up being meaningless in the end.

And how many "BS Meters" do you have blow up when someone spouts alotta BS?

 

[Rystil Arden]

Absolutely. Me, too. BUT - you're assuming that what they are saying they believe isn't a load of justification bull to do something that even they DON'T believe is right, but WANT to do, anyway. That is my point. And that is what I look for - the reading on my BS detector.

I used to believe as you do. Then, one day, someone asked me why I wouldn't hold everyone else to the same standards I hold myself. And I believe they are right. Holding them to standards I don't think I have to follow would be wrong, but why should I give them a pass on just holding their own compared to me? Or you.

I don't hold them to the same standards as I hold myself because they are not me and thus they are not obligated to follow my moral code. As an example, I refuse to download illegal PDFs and music. I am not greatly bothered that my friends do so, although I will occassionally lightly rib them that they are being hypocrites and destroying the medium that they hope to enjoy. I also get along quite well with someone who is a textbook Lawful Evil.

 

[Rystil Arden]

I don't hold them to the same standards as I hold myself because they are not me and thus they are not obligated to follow my moral code. As an example, I refuse to download illegal PDFs and music. I am not greatly bothered that my friends do so, although I will occassionally lightly rib them that they are being hypocrites and destroying the medium that they hope to enjoy. I also get along quite well with someone who is a textbook Lawful Evil.

And what makes for alot of the arguments that people have, usually over petty crap that ends up being meaningless in the end.

Agree completely! That is much of the essence of my system of acceptance.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Holding them to standards I don't think I have to follow would be wrong, but why should I give them a pass on just holding their own compared to me? Or you.

Specifically why not? Because I would be incensed if somebody else did it to me, and held me to standards of following their beliefs that I believe are wrong.

As an example: "Not having a deity makes you evil Rystil. Despicable atheists like you should be thrown in jail, as you don't believe in objective morality so you cannot truly have a moral compass. Most people in this country have a religion, so you should be forced to also."

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Agree completely! That is much of the essence of my system of acceptance.

I've seen many an argument that was over something stupid. Like a game where the DM and his girlfriend were getting into a fight over the semantics between a "village" and a "town".... yeesh! That's when we decided she needed to go. She liked to be the center of attention and cause tension in the group. Glad she wasn't around with the epic party. Rozhena woulda carved her a new one real quick!

 

[Torm]

It's kinda hard to hold others to your standards. Everyone's standards differ, even ever so slightly. Mine differ from yours and yours from Rystil's and so forth....

And this is probably where we just aren't going to agree - I think they ARE the same. Our differences are in how dedicated we are in holding other people to those standards, not in the standards themselves. And, again, I don't think there is even a difference there, except in words, and maybe how braced we are to follow through. I talk a good line - I sound like The Judge. But, remember, I even feel bad for Hitler......

 

[Rystil Arden]

Oh, I edited my last post even though it doesn't say I did. I added an example

As an example: "Not having a deity makes you evil Rystil. Despicable atheists like you should be thrown in jail, as you don't believe in objective morality so you cannot truly have a moral compass. Most people in this country have a religion, so you should be forced to also."

 

[Torm]

As an example: "Not having a deity makes you evil Rystil. Despicable atheists like you should be thrown in jail, as you don't believe in objective morality so you cannot truly have a moral compass. Most people in this country have a religion, so you should be forced to also."

Bad example - it once again sets off my BS meter: People who think there is a deity and are legitimately concerned for you because you don't will treat you kindly even if they think you are misguided. People who behave the way you describe aren't concerned about you, they are on a power trip - and, whether or not they will EVER admit it, they KNOW better.

P.S. By using them as an example the way you did, you just passed judgment on the latter group. :::gasp:::

 

[Darth K'Trava]

And this is probably where we just aren't going to agree - I think they ARE the same. Our differences are in how dedicated we are in holding other people to those standards, not in the standards themselves. And, again, I don't think there is even a difference there, except in words, and maybe how braced we are to follow through. I talk a good line - I sound like The Judge. But, remember, I even feel bad for Hitler......

You've been hanging around Tyr a tad too long.....

And one can feel bad for Hitler. If circumstance had been different, HISTORY itself might have been different... but who knows? We may never know.... Alternate history is only in the purview of people like Harry Turtledove who writes some damn fine alt history books!

 

[Rystil Arden]

And this is probably where we just aren't going to agree - I think they ARE the same. Our differences are in how dedicated we are in holding other people to those standards, not in the standards themselves. And, again, I don't think there is even a difference there, except in words, and maybe how braced we are to follow through. I talk a good line - I sound like The Judge. But, remember, I even feel bad for Hitler......

Completely disagree here, as you expected. Standards are not the same, they are mostly culturally defined.

Here's some things. Tell me if these are wrong in the "one standard":

Promiscuity
Incest
Bestiality
Necrophilia
Nymphophilia
Nudity
Atheism
Profiting at what is Indirectly the Expense of Another
Abortion
Killing as a Soldier in War
Robbing from the Rich to Give to the Poor
Euthenasia
Assassination of Decidedly Evil People
Torture to Gain Vital Information that will Save Lives

etc....