Double-Yikes: 2000 posts?!

[Rystil Arden]

Bad example - it once again sets off my BS meter: People who think there is a deity and are legitimately concerned for you because you don't will treat you kindly even if they think you are misguided. People who behave the way you describe aren't concerned about you, they are on a power trip - and, whether or not they will EVER admit it, they KNOW better.

P.S. By using them as an example the way you did, you just passed judgment on the latter group. :::gasp:::

I don't pass judgment on people with religions. I do pass judgments on people with hypocritical moral codes. One of the few ways to have an objectively hypocritical moral code in a subjective world is to be intolerant of others' beliefs. So you could say I am intolerant of intolerance.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Bad example - it once again sets off my BS meter: People who think there is a deity and are legitimately concerned for you because you don't will treat you kindly even if they think you are misguided. People who behave the way you describe aren't concerned about you, they are on a power trip - and, whether or not they will EVER admit it, they KNOW better.

P.S. By using them as an example the way you did, you just passed judgment on the latter group. :::gasp:::

One shouldn't be forced to follow a certain belief. That causes more tension than it's worth, IMO. I don't go around telling people, "Believe in Jesus or you're going to hell!". That's not the way to go about it. People are gonna believe in what they believe in, no matter what you say. It's only those who are weaker-willed (for lack of better term at this late hour) who might be swayed to your words. But alot of it IS a power trip.

 

[Torm]

Completely disagree here, as you expected. Standards are not the same, they are mostly culturally defined.

Here's some things. Tell me if these are wrong in the "one standard":

Promiscuity
Incest
Bestiality
Necrophilia
Nymphophilia
Nudity
Atheism
Profiting at what is Indirectly the Expense of Another
Abortion
Killing as a Soldier in War
Robbing from the Rich to Give to the Poor
Euthenasia
Assassination of Decidedly Evil People
Torture to Gain Vital Information that will Save Lives

etc....

These are all just phrases - not individual situations. Which is the only place you should pass judgments. Passing judgment on entire categories of behavior as though they are all going to be the same is dangerous.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

I don't pass judgment on people with religions. I do pass judgments on people with hypocritical moral codes. One of the few ways to have an objectively hypocritical moral code in a subjective world is to be intolerant of others' beliefs. So you could say I am intolerant of intolerance.

I can't stand those who say one thing and do another. It's annoying. Not to mention makes you, the hypocrite doing the "noise making with their mouths", look stupid in your eyes.

 

[Torm]

I don't pass judgment on people with religions. I do pass judgments on people with hypocritical moral codes. One of the few ways to have an objectively hypocritical moral code in a subjective world is to be intolerant of others' beliefs. So you could say I am intolerant of intolerance.

YAY! We've come to it. "Hypocrisy" is your catch-phrase for the same thing I'm talking about.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Bad example - it once again sets off my BS meter: People who think there is a deity and are legitimately concerned for you because you don't will treat you kindly even if they think you are misguided. People who behave the way you describe aren't concerned about you, they are on a power trip - and, whether or not they will EVER admit it, they KNOW better.

P.S. By using them as an example the way you did, you just passed judgment on the latter group. :::gasp:::

This post is also avoiding the question because you are preaching to the choir but avoiding the fact that by forcing your moral standards on others, you are the same as that sort of person (albeit more reasonable-sounding because I agree with your code more than theirs).

 

[Torm]

This post is also avoiding the question because you are preaching to the choir but avoiding the fact that by forcing your moral standards on others, you are the same as that sort of person (albeit more reasonable-sounding because I agree with your code more than theirs).

No. I'm not. The reason I sound more reasonable isn't because you agree with me (although that is a natural side-effect), it is because, unlike them, I'm not lying about my standards to try to get away with something I know is wrong.

 

[Rystil Arden]

YAY! We've come to it. "Hypocrisy" is your catch-phrase for the same thing I'm talking about.

Uh, dude, you make it seem like this is a new statement from me. Let me direct you to my first post on the matter, a few pages back:

But I hold myself to much higher standards than others, since each has their own moral system, which I do not judge, as long as the belief is not intrinsically hypocritical.

The difference between us is that I refuse to accept myself as an agency who has the privilege to decide right and wrong, or to consider someone to be lying based on my own whims and judgment. I will only use my "BS-meter" as you call it, if there is incontrovertible proof that they are wrong; that is, that the belief system is intrinsically a hypocrasy.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Completely disagree here, as you expected. Standards are not the same, they are mostly culturally defined.

Here's some things. Tell me if these are wrong in the "one standard":

Promiscuity
Incest
Bestiality
Necrophilia
Nymphophilia
Nudity
Atheism
Profiting at what is Indirectly the Expense of Another
Abortion
Killing as a Soldier in War
Robbing from the Rich to Give to the Poor
Euthenasia
Assassination of Decidedly Evil People
Torture to Gain Vital Information that will Save Lives

etc....

Out of those, the only ones not considered "wrong" is:

Nudity: as long as it's not public. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your biz, not mine!
Atheism: What you believe is your biz, not mine. Whether I think it's wrong or not....
Abortion: depends on the circumstances. Usually a life threatening situation. Other than that, it's wrong. I have a friend who's ex-girlfriend had an abortion to be a :: to hurt his feelings...

But the rest, I'd have to go with it's wrong to do. Granted there are circumstances that *may* warrant such a reaction. But it would depend on the circumstances involved.

 

[Torm]

The difference between us is that I refuse to accept myself as an agency who has the privilege to decide right and wrong, or to consider someone to be lying based on my own whims and judgment. I will only use my "BS-meter" as you call it, if there is incontrovertible proof that they are lying; that is, that the belief system is intrinsically a hypocrasy.

The fact that you know when the belief system is "intrinsically" a hypocrisy and will judge it then means you believe EXACTLY the same thing I do, you just want yours to sound prettier and more compassionate than mine.