Double-Yikes: 2000 posts?!

[Rystil Arden]

Out of those, the only ones not considered "wrong" is:

Nudity: as long as it's not public. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your biz, not mine!
Atheism: What you believe is your biz, not mine. Whether I think it's wrong or not....
Abortion: depends on the circumstances. Usually a life threatening situation. Other than that, it's wrong. I have a friend who's ex-girlfriend had an abortion to be a :: to hurt his feelings...

But the rest, I'd have to go with it's wrong to do. Granted there are circumstances that *may* warrant such a reaction. But it would depend on the circumstances involved.

I say that none of them is wrong. However, there are certain of them that I would hold myself to never do. There are also others that you called evil about which I wouldn't think twice as wrong.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

I say that none of them is wrong. However, there are certain of them that I would hold myself to never do. There are also others that you called evil about which I wouldn't think twice as wrong.

I'd say there's ALOT of them that I would not do.

And nowhere did I mention the word "evil" in my reply.

 

[Rystil Arden]

The fact that you know when the belief system is "intrinsically" a hypocrisy and will judge it then means you believe EXACTLY the same thing I do, you just want yours to sound prettier and more compassionate than mine.

Nope. For me, a hypocrasy implies a direct contradiction between the application of the universalisation of the moral code. Example: Crazy-eco-dude is not a hypocrite because he will kill himself and his family and friends to save the planet, but Don Mafia who loves his family and himself and treats them with tender care but kills everyone else who gets in his way is faced with intrinsic hypocrasy in his actions. When you decide that someone "is lying," you could be wrong. Also, my system allows for eople who *deep inside believe that they are right* because they aren't morally aware enough to detect the hypocrasy, whereas yours assumes the more pessimistic of human nature: that somewhere they know that they are wrong but they do it anyway.

 

[Rystil Arden]

I'd say there's ALOT of them that I would not do.

And nowhere did I mention the word "evil" in my reply.

Nope, you never mentioned evil, but one of the anti-perks of an objective system is that everything that an objectivist finds universally morally wrong *is* evil to them. For me, its just someone with whom I disagree.

 

[Torm]

Abortion: depends on the circumstances.

ALL of them depend on the circumstances.

Euthanasia - wrong if I snuff out grandma to "make room", but not wrong if my wife and I have decided, for ourselves, to go out on our 61st anniversary, so we can go out together after a nice long life. It might make you uncomfortable for me to say that, but that discomfort is the natural one most people have with death, not a belief that we would be Wrong for it. No?

 

[Rystil Arden]

The fact that you know when the belief system is "intrinsically" a hypocrisy and will judge it then means you believe EXACTLY the same thing I do, you just want yours to sound prettier and more compassionate than mine.

Here's another example: A highly misogynistic society where women are treated as chattel. I would hold myself to a higher standard. I do not find it to be morally wrong though, so if my acquaintances lived under that system, I would accept it, although I would highly disapprove and probably do my best to advocate its illegalisation because I would expect the same.

 

[Torm]

Nope. For me, a hypocrasy implies a direct contradiction between the application of the universalisation of the moral code. Example: Crazy-eco-dude is not a hypocrite because he will kill himself and his family and friends to save the planet, but Don Mafia who loves his family and himself and treats them with tender care but kills everyone else who gets in his way is faced with intrinsic hypocrasy in his actions. When you decide that someone "is lying," you could be wrong. Also, my system allows for eople who *deep inside believe that they are right* because they aren't morally aware enough to detect the hypocrasy, whereas yours assumes the more pessimistic of human nature: that somewhere they know that they are wrong but they do it anyway.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but anyone who uses as many big words and complicated phrases as you about this is trying too hard. Right and Wrong aren't that difficult. And accepting them, simply, doesn't mean you become some bigoted mean-spirited person, either. You can think someone is wrong, and still be nice to them. THAT is the BIGGEST problem in the world - lots of people don't seem to get that.

 

[Torm]

because I would expect the same.

Bingo! We have a Winner!

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but anyone who uses as many big words and complicated phrases as you about this is trying too hard. Right and Wrong aren't that difficult. And accepting them, simply, doesn't mean you become some bigoted mean-spirited person, either. You can think someone is wrong, and still be nice to them. THAT is the BIGGEST problem in the world - lots of people don't seem to get that.

Nope. People can't seem to grasp that concept... They let their bigotry show when they run across someone who doesn't believe the same way they do on *any* issue.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Originally Posted by Rystil Arden
because I would expect the same

Bingo! We have a Winner!

OW! But did he have to shout it out!!! My poor tired eyeballs!

We all expect the same but we sure don't get it! That's for sure! If you're the least bit "different", you get pounced on by all the "bullies".