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[Rystil Arden]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but anyone who uses as many big words and complicated phrases as you about this is trying too hard. Right and Wrong aren't that difficult. And accepting them, simply, doesn't mean you become some bigoted mean-spirited person, either. You can think someone is wrong, and still be nice to them. THAT is the BIGGEST problem in the world - lots of people don't seem to get that.

Right and Wrong aren't that difficult.

I disagree. In realising correctly (in your responses to Darth K'Trava) that the most developed moral systems take into account the specifics and situationality before coming to a conclusion, you have demonstrated the understanding of Postconventional Morality in Kohlberg's model (google it if you don't do psych), the highest stages of moral thinking. It is extremely difficult to reach this stages, and applying it will result in vastly different moral decisions from different people. Many people live their whole life never reaching this stage. Right and wrong are not so cut and dry...

 

[Rystil Arden]

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Originally Posted by Rystil Arden
because I would expect the same.



Bingo! We have a Winner!

And that's exactly why you CANNOT judge people the way you do, lest ye be judged in the same way youself.

 

[Torm]

Many people live their whole life never reaching this stage. Right and wrong are not so cut and dry...

But that isn't because I'm a rocket surgeon. It's because I'm simple, and kind (or I try to be.) People miss it because they overcomplicate, not oversimplify. (I wish there was a smiley that looked like Jed Clampett grinning.)

 

[Torm]

And that's exactly why you CANNOT judge people the way you do, lest ye be judged in the same way youself.

That's it, though. The notion that I won't be judged is poppycock. We do it to each other ALL THE TIME - sometimes mean, sometimes kind, but still judgment. I'm READY to be judged.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Right and wrong are not so cut and dry...

And it never can be. Not with many paths to try to figure out that meaning.... It's like "black and white".... without any shades of grey. Won't happen. We're human beings with many, MANY shades of grey in our moral makeup. It's like that Trek episode where the people were going at one another due to the different sides of where the white was on their face and the black.... it was a "stab" at the racism of the 60s, which is still prevalent today.

 

[Rystil Arden]

But that isn't because I'm a rocket surgeon. It's because I'm simple, and kind (or I try to be.) People miss it because they overcomplicate, not oversimplify. (I wish there was a smiley that looked like Jed Clampett grinning.)

This sort of moral reasoning is anything but simple. Simple is saying, like Darth K'Trava, "Incest is always wrong." And there's nothing wrong with her belief. Complicated, and more advanced, moral thinking, vis-a-vis Kohlberg, involves situationilasition and development of a moral balance scale where all sorts of factors are taken into consideration before deciding. Its more complicated, and ultimately more satisfying.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

But that isn't because I'm a rocket surgeon. It's because I'm simple, and kind (or I try to be.) People miss it because they overcomplicate, not oversimplify.

It's called "Making a mountain out of a molehill". People make a big "to-do" about what ends up being nothing at all. See my previous post about the two who got into a big, verbal fight over semantics in a GAME... :\

(I wish there was a smiley that looked like Jed Clampett grinning.)

 

[Torm]

This sort of moral reasoning is anything but simple. Simple is saying, like Darth K'Trava, "Incest is always wrong." And there's nothing wrong with her belief. Complicated, and more advanced, moral thinking, vis-a-vis Kohlberg, involves situationilasition and development of a moral balance scale where all sorts of factors are taken into consideration before deciding. Its more complicated, and ultimately more satisfying.

Well, thank you, I think. But I still think you're overcomplicating it. I don't feel the brain power ticking over to make my morality work like I do when I do figurin'.

 

[Rystil Arden]

That's it, though. The notion that I won't be judged is poppycock. We do it to each other ALL THE TIME - sometimes mean, sometimes kind, but still judgment. I'm READY to be judged.

Are you willing to be judged in the standards of those who you find to be wrong?

Because I'm not. And even if it happens, I highly disapprove, as I would not do such a thing. You would have to accept judgment on their terms if you wish to stay non-hypocritical with your own policy of judging other based on your standards.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Well, thank you, I think. But I still think you're overcomplicating it. I don't feel the brain power ticking over to make my morality work like I do when I do figurin'.

Its a different kind of thinking. D&D would say it uses Wisdom instead of Intelligence