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<blockquote data-quote="Harlock" data-source="post: 763343" data-attributes="member: 4545"><p>Amen to that. As for the people that keep insisting D&D is not a game for younger people I am frankly shocked. I know I for one started playing D&D at age 8. I had lots of friends from 3rd grade on into High School that all played. Even at different schools I could always meet new people that were into D&D. I, for one, cannot separate D&D from a childhood game that has grown up as I have. And like many people my age I am starting a family of my own now. There are certain books and now certain issues of Dragon Magazine I frankly do not want my son to peruse until he is old enough to decide for himself what is right and or wrong about them. Would it be a whole lot easier for me if D&D cleaned up the chainmail bikini thing? You bet your life! Would I like them to? Sure. Will they? Doubtful. So then the next step is me censoring for my child. </p><p></p><p>Of course I am censoring for myself as well now and this is where I draw the line. It's not as bad as say with a book, like BoVD which I can just glance at in a store and decide how bad it is. Where it gets bad is in a subscription to a magazine. I think the people telling subscribers that they should just deal with it are quite wrong. The subscribers are where the money is at. They are the guaranteed readership that the magazine bases its advertising rates off of. They prepay for goodness sakes. They have every right (and dare I say responsibilty) to voice their opinion as loud and long as they want to. Anyone who pays for the magazine has this right. Personally, I feel the chainmail bikini image for D&D and fantasy in general has hurt it as a whole in the long run. Sure it creates some sales, just as those bodice-ripper covers do for "romance" novels. But at what cost? I do not know many men (if any in my circle) that read "romance" novels. I DO know a few women who game and read fantasy, but not nearly as many women as I do men. I was sort of hoping LotR with its strong female characters and joyful lack of Red Sonja and Barberella half-naked-sterotypes would be a good indication to the suits of what people really want: good storytelling and fantastic adventures. Next time your at the theatre for a LotR flick, check out how many women are actually there. Heck, maybe this can give the gamer-geeks and real live girls a chance to mingle. I know the moral high road is seldom taken and uncharted territory for corporate types, but I implore them to try it out, at least for a while and see if it really does hurt their profit margins too badly.,</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harlock, post: 763343, member: 4545"] Amen to that. As for the people that keep insisting D&D is not a game for younger people I am frankly shocked. I know I for one started playing D&D at age 8. I had lots of friends from 3rd grade on into High School that all played. Even at different schools I could always meet new people that were into D&D. I, for one, cannot separate D&D from a childhood game that has grown up as I have. And like many people my age I am starting a family of my own now. There are certain books and now certain issues of Dragon Magazine I frankly do not want my son to peruse until he is old enough to decide for himself what is right and or wrong about them. Would it be a whole lot easier for me if D&D cleaned up the chainmail bikini thing? You bet your life! Would I like them to? Sure. Will they? Doubtful. So then the next step is me censoring for my child. Of course I am censoring for myself as well now and this is where I draw the line. It's not as bad as say with a book, like BoVD which I can just glance at in a store and decide how bad it is. Where it gets bad is in a subscription to a magazine. I think the people telling subscribers that they should just deal with it are quite wrong. The subscribers are where the money is at. They are the guaranteed readership that the magazine bases its advertising rates off of. They prepay for goodness sakes. They have every right (and dare I say responsibilty) to voice their opinion as loud and long as they want to. Anyone who pays for the magazine has this right. Personally, I feel the chainmail bikini image for D&D and fantasy in general has hurt it as a whole in the long run. Sure it creates some sales, just as those bodice-ripper covers do for "romance" novels. But at what cost? I do not know many men (if any in my circle) that read "romance" novels. I DO know a few women who game and read fantasy, but not nearly as many women as I do men. I was sort of hoping LotR with its strong female characters and joyful lack of Red Sonja and Barberella half-naked-sterotypes would be a good indication to the suits of what people really want: good storytelling and fantastic adventures. Next time your at the theatre for a LotR flick, check out how many women are actually there. Heck, maybe this can give the gamer-geeks and real live girls a chance to mingle. I know the moral high road is seldom taken and uncharted territory for corporate types, but I implore them to try it out, at least for a while and see if it really does hurt their profit margins too badly., [/QUOTE]
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