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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 768037" data-attributes="member: 151"><p>It's funny how the folks without children (and I'm not just talking of you, s/LaSH) seem to be so certain about what does and does not affect them. Byan Blackbyrd's assertion that his niece and nephew's perceived ignorance of a Olivia print may or may not be the case...unless he's raising him, I'm not sure he's really seeing any impact it might have. When you live with your children, 7 days a week, you see the ripple effect things can have. Just because they don't freak out at the exact second of an incident doesn't mean it doesn't rattle around for a while. Different children behave different ways. It might not affect them at all...or it could create a lasting impression.</p><p></p><p>A previous poster mentioned that we "sound like our parents". I've got news for you: your parents weren't always wrong. If being a father has done anything, it's changed my perspectives on my parents dramatically. I see things from the other side of the coin, now, and many times I understand why they did what they did. Why they had to, if they were good parents. I strive to do as good a job with my children as they did with my siblings and me.</p><p></p><p>I defended the previous issues of Dragon, but this one bugs me, a little. I'm not offended by the cover, but it's exactly the kind of embarassing juvenile sort of material that mutes my enthusiasm for the hobby. Most gamers I know don't advertise the fact outside of gaming circles, due to the kind of perception this sort of material breeds. I <strong>did</strong> feel the need to hide this issue from my kids. I'm not asking them to stop (although if every issue starts having "I like boobies!" covers, I may not resubscribe), but I pay for my copy of the magazine like others, and I have an equal vote. </p><p></p><p>If Paizo finds that this cover earns them more than a cover without, that's their perogative. But I think it's a mistake. My wife is a gamer, and she rolled her eyes at the cover. I don't take Dragon into the lunchroom for the same reasons others have mentioned. Comparisons to Cosmopolitan or Vogue are Apples-to-Oranges, IMHO. One is a high-fashion magazines that feature fashion models and the other is a magazine famous for breaking taboos about sexual topics and is specifically geared towards showcasing women's interests, including clothing and fashion. Dragon is a magazine concerned with coverage of a particular table-top game with an emphasis on rules material, historical discussions and social interactions. One features 16-page fashion spreads, another a discussion of breast cancer and the third an article about rules for new kinds of poisons for imaginary characters to use on other imaginary characters.</p><p></p><p>I frankly find covers like these embarassing. They harken to the image of the 13 year-old nerd who's intimidated by women, and likes to look at sexy pictures of them. That's fine, when I was 13. That was a long time ago for me, and most of Paizo's readership. If they want to do that sort of thing, they can. But I really wish they wouldn't. I don't like having to find a place to keep such materials out of view for my children, in-laws and co-workers. I'd like to be able to proudly mention my hobby, rather than make excuses for it's materials. The inside of the issue is great stuff, too.</p><p></p><p>While we're on the subject, could we get a little variety going on the covers? I'm a little tired of the 'character study' concept that has been most of the covers (it seems to me) for Dragon under 3E. How about some covers that feature something other than a person (be he Githzerai, Drow, orc paladin or whatever) standing around? I agree with many that Dragon used to have much more dynamic covers. The art quality is fine...just mix it up a bit. Perhaps if the cover wasn't just a study of a leather-dominatrix doled up as a succubus, I wouldn't think it quite as juvenile.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 768037, member: 151"] It's funny how the folks without children (and I'm not just talking of you, s/LaSH) seem to be so certain about what does and does not affect them. Byan Blackbyrd's assertion that his niece and nephew's perceived ignorance of a Olivia print may or may not be the case...unless he's raising him, I'm not sure he's really seeing any impact it might have. When you live with your children, 7 days a week, you see the ripple effect things can have. Just because they don't freak out at the exact second of an incident doesn't mean it doesn't rattle around for a while. Different children behave different ways. It might not affect them at all...or it could create a lasting impression. A previous poster mentioned that we "sound like our parents". I've got news for you: your parents weren't always wrong. If being a father has done anything, it's changed my perspectives on my parents dramatically. I see things from the other side of the coin, now, and many times I understand why they did what they did. Why they had to, if they were good parents. I strive to do as good a job with my children as they did with my siblings and me. I defended the previous issues of Dragon, but this one bugs me, a little. I'm not offended by the cover, but it's exactly the kind of embarassing juvenile sort of material that mutes my enthusiasm for the hobby. Most gamers I know don't advertise the fact outside of gaming circles, due to the kind of perception this sort of material breeds. I [b]did[/b] feel the need to hide this issue from my kids. I'm not asking them to stop (although if every issue starts having "I like boobies!" covers, I may not resubscribe), but I pay for my copy of the magazine like others, and I have an equal vote. If Paizo finds that this cover earns them more than a cover without, that's their perogative. But I think it's a mistake. My wife is a gamer, and she rolled her eyes at the cover. I don't take Dragon into the lunchroom for the same reasons others have mentioned. Comparisons to Cosmopolitan or Vogue are Apples-to-Oranges, IMHO. One is a high-fashion magazines that feature fashion models and the other is a magazine famous for breaking taboos about sexual topics and is specifically geared towards showcasing women's interests, including clothing and fashion. Dragon is a magazine concerned with coverage of a particular table-top game with an emphasis on rules material, historical discussions and social interactions. One features 16-page fashion spreads, another a discussion of breast cancer and the third an article about rules for new kinds of poisons for imaginary characters to use on other imaginary characters. I frankly find covers like these embarassing. They harken to the image of the 13 year-old nerd who's intimidated by women, and likes to look at sexy pictures of them. That's fine, when I was 13. That was a long time ago for me, and most of Paizo's readership. If they want to do that sort of thing, they can. But I really wish they wouldn't. I don't like having to find a place to keep such materials out of view for my children, in-laws and co-workers. I'd like to be able to proudly mention my hobby, rather than make excuses for it's materials. The inside of the issue is great stuff, too. While we're on the subject, could we get a little variety going on the covers? I'm a little tired of the 'character study' concept that has been most of the covers (it seems to me) for Dragon under 3E. How about some covers that feature something other than a person (be he Githzerai, Drow, orc paladin or whatever) standing around? I agree with many that Dragon used to have much more dynamic covers. The art quality is fine...just mix it up a bit. Perhaps if the cover wasn't just a study of a leather-dominatrix doled up as a succubus, I wouldn't think it quite as juvenile. [/QUOTE]
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