Dragon/WotC conspiracy article

SteelSilvershield said:
Some mentioned the Nintendo magazine or Playstation magazine, and while those are two companies the articles cover games made by other companies.

Patently untrue. I have every single issue of the Nintendo magazine, Nintendo Power and it has never covered games for other systems. The closest it ever came to that was having a small section on arcade games, but that was deep-sixed back around the start of the '90's.

The article's subject may be obvious to all D&D and RPG veterans who have been following the industry for years, but it isn't so obvious to people who are newer to the game. Dragon does not always put on its magazine that it is 100% Official D&D Material, nor does it inform us of its near-exclusive licensing deal or its terms, but they don't have to tell us anything.

I'll admit that the "100% official" thing has only started around two years ago, right around when Paizo started publishing it. That said...you may have a point here. Honestly, I'm too enmeshed with Dragon, D&D, and RPGs in general to be able to imagine approaching the magazine from so blank a slate. I picked up my first issue of Dragon and knew it was the D&D-only magazine because back then, only TSR published D&D.

I do wish that Dragon had more d20 fantasy stuff and not just d20 stuff from former WOTC staffers (though Monte is great at what he does).

I don't. There are plenty of other magazines for that, both published on paper (Campaign Magazine, and Gaming Frontiers, for example), and PDF (such as Minigame Magazine). Let Dragon keep its focus.

It's also interesting to me that there are people out there who know so much about D&D and the d20 industry, but don't write articles about that.

Some try, and just have trouble getting them published. :uhoh:
 

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SteelSilvershield said:
I do wish that Dragon had more d20 fantasy stuff and not just d20 stuff from former WOTC staffers (though Monte is great at what he does).
Heh. Unfortunately, you represent a small portion of Paizo's Dragon readership, like I myself represent a small but fiesty portion of Dungeon/Polyhedron readership (I only buy Dungeon for the Poly magazine).

In case you have forgotten, Paizo got a lot of flak when they did Dragon Annual as a d20 magazine (introducing Freeport, Wheel of Time, etc.). It's because of the over-the-top harsh criticisms that prompted them to shut down Dragon Annual completely.
 

To write or not to write

SteelSilvershield said:
It's also interesting to me that there are people out there who know so much about D&D and the d20 industry, but don't write articles about that.

-Bradford Ferguson, Silven Crossroads

Well, some of us might have other things to do with our time. Like hanging around boards like these, going to our day jobs, taking care of our family, and so on so forth.

In fact, I am astonished that so many of the participants on these boards do a lot of writing, some for Dragon, some for their own or other companies, some for their web sites, and so on...

There's a lot of cooking going on here.

Cheers!

Maggan
 

To paraphrase a quote from an old (and classic) movie....
"I'm shocked, shocked to find out Dragon is a house organ for WOTC!"
"Sir, your copy of Dragon."
 

White Dwarf - Myths and Legends

I feel compelled to add to this thread, to correct some of the misleading remarks that have been made about White Dwarf. Please forgive the hijack but some myths persist that should be dispelled.

It was Games Workshop's house organ from issue one. (The masthead gives the editorial address as 1, Dalling Road, Hammersmith, London - the original GW HQ.) And while it published D&D, Runequest, Traveller articles and all the rest, it did so for one reason:

In those days, GW published D&D, Traveller and everything by The Chaosium under licence from their respective American owners. GW was the main importer, distributor and publisher of these and other games in the UK. White Dwarf existed solely to promote GW's games (whether they were really GW's, like Talisman, or whether they were licensed products).

By 1987, everything had changed. GW no longer produced any TSR or GDW product under licence. It had some Chaosium licences still but the two companies weren't renewing those arrangements. GW was publishing West End's Paranoia under licence but that was a one-off deal. By 87, GW had published several of its own boardgames, WFRP and even the first edition of Warhammer 40000 appeared in time for Games Day. Development of Warhammer Fantasy Battle's third edition was almost complete.

At the same time, GDW's and TSR's house magazines were shifting their editorial ground. Both had covered other companies' games but such extraneous content was rapidly diminishing.

GW had no choice. White Dwarf did not make money; it was a loss leader. If it wasn't promoting GW's games, it could not survive.

So, it lent its full support to games GW developed. A lot of fans of RPGs were gutted, because who published what wasn't as relevant to them as buying a British RPG industry mag. The lay of the land had altered beneath their feet and they didn't like it. They were vocal about it, too. But here's the thing: When WD went full Warhammer, Bloodbowl, Dark Future, HeroQuest etc (GW had been sub-contracted by Milton Bradley to design HeroQuest and GW saw it as a way to introduce people to Warhammer), the magazine's audited circulation went from 56000 to 72000. You see, there were more gamers in the UK buying Citadel Miniatures than any other game product. Citadel Miniatures, run by Bryan Ansell, had taken control of GW from Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone a couple of years earlier, when GW had fallen into severe financial difficulties through bad accounting. Bryan knew that GW now depended on the vast Citadel Miniatures sales to survive.

So did I. That's why, in 1987, when I was appointed Games Editor at GW, I wrote a memo addressing this matter and suggested that WD should concentrate on its support for GW developed games. Three days later, I was sitting in WD's editorial chair.

Did I make mistakes? You betcha. I was 23 and very naive. I thought that we (GW) were going to do for WFRP what TSR had done for D&D. I thought we were going to make more great boardgames like Fury of Dracula and Curse of the Mummy's Tomb. We had taken the cream of TSR UK's development team and we had big names from Chaosium and West End Games coming over to England to work on various developments. We had a classic Frankenstein boardgame in development, along with something that I can best compare to d20 Modern. But these projects were canned. All the effort went into more and more Warhammer.

Today, WD still has the format and editorial I bequeathed it. I'm ambivalent about that. On the one hand, the fact that it hasn't changed a jot since suggests I had the right idea. The fact that it (and GW) is still doing practically nothing but Warhammer, fifteen years after I left it, is disheartening to me. I'm glad I left when I did.

A footnote: WD was quarterly for the first two years and bi-monthly thereafter, until around issue 36. Since then, it's been monthly.

I'll end the hijack now. If you're going to flame me, please do it in another thread and let this one go about its business. Thank you.
 
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No flaming for you!

Ranes said:
I'll end the hijack now. If you're going to flame me, please do it in another thread and let this one go about its business. Thank you.

On the contrary. Thank you for your input. Even though I stopped buying WD after it dropped WFRP, I see the market realities that GW has to deal with. So thanks for chiming in!

Cheers!

Maggan
 


Numion said:
It's interesting to me that so many people who know so little about D&D and the d20 industry write so many articles about it ;)

And that, SteelSilvershield, is called a "critical hit."
 

Glyfair said:
Ares was indeed an SPI magazine (I assume your details are correct). When TSR ended up getting many (all?) SPI properties they carried Ares over as the science-fiction section of Dragon. It covered pure science fiction games, Marvel Superheroes, etc.

I think the belief at the time was that TSR did this so they could give Dragon subscriptions to former Ares subscribers to fufill contractual obligations (although this is probably quite suspect).

Yeah, that happened. Not.
IIRC they refunded the remnant of the subscription and said bye bye.
Shame, 'cos it was a cracking little mag. In fact, I think I'll have to dig out my old copies and nostalge.
 

thalmin said:
Just an obsevation. One big difference in the "house organ" aspect of Dragon vs White Dwarf: Dragon still runs ads for for other companies, even competitors; White Dwarf only advertises Games Workshop.
I meant to comment on this in my last post. When I was at GW, I argued the case to have White Dwarf's circulation independently audited by the Audit Bureau of Circulation (ABC). Applying for this in the UK meant having ABC track all WD sales for six months, before finally reporting back with monthly figures. These could then be printed in the magazine's masthead next to the ABC logo. Having that ABC figure printed in a magazine is fundamental in getting advertisers to buy space in it, because they know they can trust an ABC figure; they know that their ad will reach that number of people at least. Publishers' claims of circulation are ignored, for obvious reasons. ABC figures are not.

I wanted the magazine to have this, specifically in order to win advertisers. Bizarrely, though the company was swayed into getting WD audited, they made no effort, as far as I am aware, to follow that up with any attempts to get external advertising, beyond a few games publishers, retailers and distributors. You say even that has disappeared. (I'll take your word - I don't read WD any more.) I wonder if they still have the auditing done. If so, they're throwing their money away. And those audits aren't cheap.

Incidentally on topic, ;) , I like the fact that Dragon is what it is.
 
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