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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8838163" data-attributes="member: 67338">that's great, and if I want a real world view of the philosophy of violence you are the expert... but D&D good and evil are game terms (I don't care if you call them a toothless fluff term or a hard mechanic term they are a term.okay so now you think an academic level in philosophy makes you a literary expert too... that's interesting that you just threw out a personal (unable to be verified but I will trust you) level of expertise and right away pivoted away from it...That would be a GREAT literary critic of the novels... but the game doesn't have any riders or special deific carve outs for divine punishment. What we have are game terms of good and evil under alignment and my criticism is about the use misuses and apparent misunderstanding of the idea and concept of there being an objective good in Dungeons and Dragons the game (at least going back to 2e I will not speak of editions before I joined in 1995)except it does. Now people lob the same critisims at real world holy books. This isn;t that. This isn't some book meant to lead people, or scare people into a morality tail it isn't even a novel (it is BASED on a set of novels that was BASED on a set of adventures in a game/novel version of the snake eating it's own tail)I didn't say Tracy Hickman endorse genocide (although I don't know why we single him out and not Margret Wiess). I thought they made a fun story without thinking threw the cause and effect and did so working backwards (This needs to happen to make that happen so we can have this thing we want in the story) and I am sure the real world notion of was somewhere either in the back or front of there minds. Now for a novel that is great. As I have said before I read the first two trilogies with no idea what dungeons and dragons was. However the problem comes when you put alignments out of game in the rules text and reference them in the grouping. By D&D standards of 5e (I am not going back through minor changes in each edition) a deity of good alignment should not be advocating for or okay withnow, if you want to discus what would happen if any other (because again unless the book calls out an exception for deities there is not one) creature that blows up a town to stop an evil burgermeister being called good, then you and I are pretty done.</blockquote>

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