Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
NOW LIVE! Today's the day you meet your new best friend. You don’t have to leave Wolfy behind... In 'Pets & Sidekicks' your companions level up with you!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Dragonlance Adventure & Prelude Details Revealed
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8839060" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p>Okay. Given [USER=19675]@Dannyalcatraz[/USER]'s clarification of site rules on religion in discussions of this matter, I think I can write this without crossing a line. </p><p></p><p>I grew up Mormon. I fairly recently left the church, but I've spent more than 90% of my life a member of the same religion that influenced some of Dragonlance, notably how it treats its gods and religions in the setting. The parallels between The Great Apostasy and Dragonlance's Cataclysm are obvious to anyone educated in the topics. </p><p></p><p>[SPOILER="Similarities between the Great Apostasy and Cataclysm"]The Great Apostasy according to Mormon doctrine - "A period of hundreds of years where the true religion was lost and the Priesthood, a divine power that can heal people, was taken from Earth by God until the world was ready for their religion to return. Eventually, a blonde-haired, blue-eyed prophet found records from an ancient, now-destroyed civilization carved into metal that held the texts of the 'true religion' and restored it to the Earth and brought back the Priesthood."</p><p></p><p>The Cataclysm according to Dragonlance lore - "A period of hundreds of years where all true religions were lost and Clerical Magic, which can heal people, was taken from Krynn by the Good Gods until the world was ready for their religions to return. Eventually, a blonde-haired, blue-eyed prophet found records from an ancient, now-destroyed civilization carved into metal that held the texts of the "true religions" and restored them to Krynn and brought back the Clerics." [/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>Dragonlance's Cataclysm wasn't "inspired by Mormon theology". It is a huge part of Mormon theology that's transplanted to the setting. The disaster that caused Dragonlance's "Great Apostasy" is also clearly "inspired" by the Great Flood from the Bible. It's so obvious that it comes up basically any time someone wants to talk about Dragonlance's take on religion on this site. </p><p></p><p>Tracy Hickman is Mormon. His religion influences the books he writes. I'm no longer Mormon, but the stuff I write is definitely still influenced by my previous religion in some way. I can't change that, even when I want to. And we can't debate religion on this site or the morality of the Great Flood, but The Cataclysm is still a problem. It would probably be less of a problem if it didn't make its source material so obvious. </p><p></p><p>There's nothing wrong with "the true religion was lost, but brought back through metal plates" as a plot device in a fantasy novel or setting. But the backstory is problematic and could be easily avoided through "No one knows what truly caused the Cataclysm. Every person that did know died in the event, and the gods haven't been around for the last 350 years to answer the question." Do an Eberron and don't give an explanation behind the Mourning. That way you don't cross into controversial topics like divine collective punishment. Or if you do really want the gods to be the ones that threw that mountain on Istar, have there be a Rapture of all innocent people before you kill all of the wicked.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8839060, member: 7023887"] Okay. Given [USER=19675]@Dannyalcatraz[/USER]'s clarification of site rules on religion in discussions of this matter, I think I can write this without crossing a line. I grew up Mormon. I fairly recently left the church, but I've spent more than 90% of my life a member of the same religion that influenced some of Dragonlance, notably how it treats its gods and religions in the setting. The parallels between The Great Apostasy and Dragonlance's Cataclysm are obvious to anyone educated in the topics. [SPOILER="Similarities between the Great Apostasy and Cataclysm"]The Great Apostasy according to Mormon doctrine - "A period of hundreds of years where the true religion was lost and the Priesthood, a divine power that can heal people, was taken from Earth by God until the world was ready for their religion to return. Eventually, a blonde-haired, blue-eyed prophet found records from an ancient, now-destroyed civilization carved into metal that held the texts of the 'true religion' and restored it to the Earth and brought back the Priesthood." The Cataclysm according to Dragonlance lore - "A period of hundreds of years where all true religions were lost and Clerical Magic, which can heal people, was taken from Krynn by the Good Gods until the world was ready for their religions to return. Eventually, a blonde-haired, blue-eyed prophet found records from an ancient, now-destroyed civilization carved into metal that held the texts of the "true religions" and restored them to Krynn and brought back the Clerics." [/SPOILER] Dragonlance's Cataclysm wasn't "inspired by Mormon theology". It is a huge part of Mormon theology that's transplanted to the setting. The disaster that caused Dragonlance's "Great Apostasy" is also clearly "inspired" by the Great Flood from the Bible. It's so obvious that it comes up basically any time someone wants to talk about Dragonlance's take on religion on this site. Tracy Hickman is Mormon. His religion influences the books he writes. I'm no longer Mormon, but the stuff I write is definitely still influenced by my previous religion in some way. I can't change that, even when I want to. And we can't debate religion on this site or the morality of the Great Flood, but The Cataclysm is still a problem. It would probably be less of a problem if it didn't make its source material so obvious. There's nothing wrong with "the true religion was lost, but brought back through metal plates" as a plot device in a fantasy novel or setting. But the backstory is problematic and could be easily avoided through "No one knows what truly caused the Cataclysm. Every person that did know died in the event, and the gods haven't been around for the last 350 years to answer the question." Do an Eberron and don't give an explanation behind the Mourning. That way you don't cross into controversial topics like divine collective punishment. Or if you do really want the gods to be the ones that threw that mountain on Istar, have there be a Rapture of all innocent people before you kill all of the wicked. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Dragonlance Adventure & Prelude Details Revealed
Top