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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8803148" data-attributes="member: 67338">and you know what makes it way better... not to have a god level NPC (or 10) walking around your setting.  (in my example it was symbul not even elminster but same thing) The novels can have god powered elminster, but imagine a setting box/book that stated him as a 8th level lore bard (keeping him as both arcane and divine and martial abilities) and said his long life was a mystic boon, and he was a chosen that had silver fire and some immunities...  he could STILL be the sage, he could still be a fun NPC... but even 1st level PCs aren't looking to him to solo a fight. Now the 'down side' is how does he keep manssoon in check with mansoon being a 30th level wizard (number pulled from butt not looking him up) or the 9 red wizard archmages... simple we lower them a bit (not as much not 8th level) into the mid teens and say that they get apposed not by a single 30th level archmage, but by his cunning plans and use of adventurers (hey like the players)doing it this way also allows each edition to just start over from scratch to make the setting fit the edition instead of blowing it up with a realms shattering event... "Why are dragonbonr in 4e and 5e when they were not in 2e and 3e?"because we restarted and reimagined the setting slightly each time.</blockquote>