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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Velderan" data-source="post: 8810780" data-attributes="member: 7038056">That's one part of Dragonlance that never made sense to me. I can't recall what DLA says about mages in regards to testing, but I seem to recall in 2E Tales of the Lance the requirement was for mages to test at 3rd level before they can access greater power. A bard eventually gets access to magical power greater than a 4th level mage and yet somehow it was never called out for them to need to test or be risked being branded a renegade. At my table, we handled bards comparably and had them test before they reached whatever level gave them equal casting ability to a 4th level mage.It works both ways in this thread honestly, many of the people advocating on the player's behalf come off as though the DM is some tyrant just saying no because they're on a power trip and many of the people advocating on the DM's behalf are acting like the player is selfishly demanding to play something that doesn't fit the campaign the DM (and other players presumably) want to run. Either case is a pretty good reason to not play at that table for me.</blockquote>