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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 8813281" data-attributes="member: 7635">I know you would rather die than admit you're wrong, but try to keep up.Lets stat by reading the first thing you should know: Page 8 of the ECS.1. If it exists in D&D, then it has a place in Eberron.A monster or spell or magic item from the core rulebooks might feature a twist or two to account for Eberron’s tone and attitude, but otherwise everything in the Player’s Handbook, Dungeon Master’s Guide, and Monster Manual has a place somewhere in Eberron. Also, this is the first D&D setting built entirely from the v.3.5 rules, which enabled us to blend rules and story in brand-new ways.See how it specifically calls out the PHB, DMG, and MM? Good.Now, we look at the v3.5 Monster Manual, and what do we see?Half-dragon . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 146Tiefling (planetouched). . . . 209Now, I'll grant that half-dragon isn't exactly a dragonborn. Half-dragon was a popular concept and a highly sought-after one, but the fact it was a template AND had a LA of +3 made them not particularly good PCs. In response, WotC created a race which effectively created a LA +0 version of half-dragons, which they called the Dragon Born of Bahamut. That was later simplified down to 4e version of dragonborn who (like tieflings) were given a collective racial identify rather than half-fiends and half-dragons. Nevertheless, they are both canonically part of Eberron per Rule 1 in letter, and certainly in spirit. The Player's Guide to Eberron went on to discuss them further. Adding additional info is not a retcon. They were always intended in the setting. The only thing that changed was their prominence as later editions moved them from MM to PHB. I get you want to find some artificial limitation to Eberron because the fact that it's a kitchen-sink setting that is distinct from Forgotten Realms destroys your argument and you are desperate to cling to it, but please, just admit you are wrong on this one and drop it.</blockquote>

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