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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8817732" data-attributes="member: 42582">This is silly.The relationship between aesthetic value and moral value is extremely complicated. But many people take aesthetic pleasure in stories that do not conform to their own political and moral commitments.I love Excalibur. The central motif of Excalibur is &quot;The King and the land are one.&quot; But in real life, although I live in a monarchy, I am not a royalist and certainly don't hold to the sort of view that is central to Excalibur. Similar reactionary political ideas predominate in JRRT's work, which I also love. But I don't build my own political commitments around it. The idea of the &quot;true king&quot; is a fantasy, not a principle that I actually adhere to.I also love the bit in the Kick Ass film in which the jet pack rider comes up the side of the building and starts shooting all the bad guys, even though that is almost impossible to square with any tenable account of the permissible use of lethal violence.These works are all fictions, not truths.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8817732, member: 42582"] This is silly. The relationship between aesthetic value and moral value is extremely complicated. But many people take aesthetic pleasure in stories that do not conform to their own political and moral commitments. I love Excalibur. The central motif of Excalibur is "The King and the land are one." But in real life, although I live in a monarchy, I am not a royalist and certainly don't hold to the sort of view that is central to Excalibur. Similar reactionary political ideas predominate in JRRT's work, which I also love. But I don't build my own political commitments around it. The idea of the "true king" is a fantasy, not a principle that I actually adhere to. I also love the bit in the Kick Ass film in which the jet pack rider comes up the side of the building and starts shooting all the bad guys, even though that is almost impossible to square with any tenable account of the permissible use of lethal violence. These works are all fictions, not truths. [/QUOTE]

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