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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Velderan" data-source="post: 8818552" data-attributes="member: 7038056">I'm not saying it's not worth discussing, it's the repeated attempts to come into threads and convince people who don't have an issue with how it has been presented that it's dumb when that's an incredibly subjective thing. Based on the promo material so far, it seems it will be the same way again and if it conflicts that much with real world morals, there are plenty of other places to play make-believe elf in.Personally I always preferred the 2E Tales of the Lance presentation where the Cataclysm is discussed on page 25. It presents a few theories while saying ultimately none of us will ever know. To me, that sets it up where each table can grab the theory they like and run with it. Want to absolve the gods of any direct involvement? It has this theory as an option:The gods were unable to protect the people, who blamed them for not sparing them the catastrophe and everyone sulks for 350ish years.</blockquote>