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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8570741" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤦♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f926-2642.png" title="Man facepalming :man_facepalming:" data-shortname=":man_facepalming:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></p><p></p><p>It's not "they identify with it/think that it's accurate", it's recognizing that it shares core stereotypes with what have historically been applied to your own ethnic group. It's not someone going "we are all travelling kleptomaniacs with tight-knit families and dangerous habits, like the Kender". It's "hey, that fantasy race shares some of the negative stereotypes that people have been accusing us of being for centuries".</p><p></p><p>About what? I just gave my own personal experiences. I was not attempting to speak for the whole Autistic-ADHD community, because I can't.</p><p></p><p>I would personally not be surprised if other Autistic-ADHD D&D players have similar feelings/preferences of D&D races, especially relating to the more "castoff/misfit" D&D races, because that's a very common experience that Autistic people grow up feeling and can relate to, but no, I do not feel/think that I am speaking for the whole or even majority of the ADHD-Autistic community (that play D&D, that is).</p><p></p><p>I have heard a lot of other Autistic people say that they can relate to Data or Spock from Star Trek, and some other ADHD D&D players say that they can relate to the quirky/erratic behavior of Gnomes, but I imagine that others have a very different array of favorite player races. I could see how other Autistic/ADHD D&D players could be more drawn to races like Tabaxi, Elves, Tortles, and other player races.</p><p></p><p>I was just giving my own viewpoint based on my own experiences as an Autistic-ADHD man, and explaining how my own background would lead me to empathize with similar situations amongst individuals that are members of other groups of minorities.</p><p></p><p>It can't be established. What do you want us to do, somehow poll all D&D players of Romani descent and survey them on their opinions of Kender and the stereotypes associate with them? That's not going to happen. Trying to demand quantifiable evidence here is just not the sort of discussion we're having/trying to have.</p><p></p><p>That doesn't matter. That's a distinction without a difference. You're trying to draw the line and request data where there isn't one. I was just trying to give my own viewpoint of a similar (but opposite) scenario to help you and others empathize with/understand how such a viewpoint could exist. Going out of your way to pick out and highlight "individuals" as if it's some "gotcha" doesn't matter. You're having a fundamentally different discussion from what I'm having. I'm not trying to "beat" you or prove any viewpoint, more just explain how it is possible for a scenario that you think is unlikely to be possible and something to take into account.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8570741, member: 7023887"] 🤦♂️ It's not "they identify with it/think that it's accurate", it's recognizing that it shares core stereotypes with what have historically been applied to your own ethnic group. It's not someone going "we are all travelling kleptomaniacs with tight-knit families and dangerous habits, like the Kender". It's "hey, that fantasy race shares some of the negative stereotypes that people have been accusing us of being for centuries". About what? I just gave my own personal experiences. I was not attempting to speak for the whole Autistic-ADHD community, because I can't. I would personally not be surprised if other Autistic-ADHD D&D players have similar feelings/preferences of D&D races, especially relating to the more "castoff/misfit" D&D races, because that's a very common experience that Autistic people grow up feeling and can relate to, but no, I do not feel/think that I am speaking for the whole or even majority of the ADHD-Autistic community (that play D&D, that is). I have heard a lot of other Autistic people say that they can relate to Data or Spock from Star Trek, and some other ADHD D&D players say that they can relate to the quirky/erratic behavior of Gnomes, but I imagine that others have a very different array of favorite player races. I could see how other Autistic/ADHD D&D players could be more drawn to races like Tabaxi, Elves, Tortles, and other player races. I was just giving my own viewpoint based on my own experiences as an Autistic-ADHD man, and explaining how my own background would lead me to empathize with similar situations amongst individuals that are members of other groups of minorities. It can't be established. What do you want us to do, somehow poll all D&D players of Romani descent and survey them on their opinions of Kender and the stereotypes associate with them? That's not going to happen. Trying to demand quantifiable evidence here is just not the sort of discussion we're having/trying to have. That doesn't matter. That's a distinction without a difference. You're trying to draw the line and request data where there isn't one. I was just trying to give my own viewpoint of a similar (but opposite) scenario to help you and others empathize with/understand how such a viewpoint could exist. Going out of your way to pick out and highlight "individuals" as if it's some "gotcha" doesn't matter. You're having a fundamentally different discussion from what I'm having. I'm not trying to "beat" you or prove any viewpoint, more just explain how it is possible for a scenario that you think is unlikely to be possible and something to take into account. [/QUOTE]
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