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Message: <blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8844415" data-attributes="member: 86653">No, it's the disaster of Tiamat taking over the world forever. The Kingpriest was one step in that process.Which goes to show that the Kingpriest ascending wasn't the real problem. It was that it would lead to Tiamat taking over Krynn forever.According to you. But you've done nothing to support that assertion beyond repeating it and posting a link to TVTropes.Good things don't exist. Bad things don't exist. Good and bad are human concepts that help us categorize the world around us. They're descriptors of our reactions to events, not intrinsic, inherent properties within the things themselves. Let me introduce you to <a href="https://mindfulness.com/mindful-living/are-these-bad-times-or-good-times-the-story-of-the-zen-farmer" target="_blank">the story of the Zen farmer</a>.So your definition of good is "it's called 'good,' therefore it's good"? That's pretty shallow definition. This is supposed to be a philosophy thread, so maybe try being a bit more robust in your definition of what's good and evil, because, as it stands, you've only offered up "what's good eradicates evil," which is entirely problematic as I talked about in my last post.You don't seem to understand it though. There are two options, not a third. Either Paladine defines good or what's good exists independent of Paladine. If the former, then whatever Paladine says is good is, by definition, good. If the latter, then we need to define good for ourselves. Which you seem entirely unwilling to do. You're the one making claims about what is good and what is evil. You seem to have a very precise idea of what is what in regards to these terms, but you're utterly unwilling to share them. Why?Okay. Define what's good and evil and prove that they objectively exist.No, but the definition is important. How we determine what is good and what is evil is important. Either Paladine defines it or we do. If Paladine defines it, then what we think doesn't matter. The god of Good just told us what's good. If we define it, then what we think really does matter and we'll need to actually define it. If we can't define it, we can't move forward.I agree.Nope. But they are reliant upon a definition existing. So what's the definition of good and what's the definition of evil?"Working against its existence." You must realize that's a euphemism for causing it to cease to exist, right? Eradicate. Kill. Causing it to cease to exist.But incarceration doesn't prevent evil from existing. It still exists, it's just locked away.Well, okay. Then can you point me to one of those experts who's defined it for you? Because you seem to have a rather precise and solid working definition of what good and evil are, yet you're entirely unwilling to share that definition. And as someone who's studied philosophy, I can tell you that answers are pretty thin on the ground. There's a lot of opinions. But not much in the way of answers. Unless we revisit the utilitarians. They have answers. Not necessarily good ones, but answers. Let me introduce you to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem" target="_blank">the is-ought problem</a>. David Hume was an incredibly brilliant 18th-century Scottish philosopher and he noticed a problem. I'll leave you to read it. It's a doozy. Modern philosophy has either been stuck on this since or has simply pretended it doesn't exist.And to do any of that we need a working definition of what's good and what's evil...which we still don't have.Ah. So we define what's good and what's evil. Okay. So define them for me. Then be prepared to defend that definition because I can guarantee you that most other posters on this forum will have a different definition of good and evil than you do. So the obvious follow up is: what makes yours the right one and how do you know?Because good and evil aren't black and white objective things that factually exist in the universe. They're human thought patterns used to explain the world. Again, the Zen farmer.</blockquote>

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