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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8844427" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>They are literally <em>gods</em>. Their stats showed that they had the ability to cast the <em>wish </em>spell multiple times each day--<em>without </em>it getting monkey paw'd, because they have the literal gods of magic on their side--in addition to all of there other bazillion spells and godly powers. There is zero chance that a trolley problem of any scale is actually a problem for them. </p><p></p><p>"Oh, I have to choose which people I can save? Well, I guess I'll just cast <em>time stop </em>on myself, save these people here, then <em>teleport </em>over there and save those people, then drop the <em>time stop</em>. Everyone is safe." Or "I save these people, then cast <em>resurrection </em>on those people, then cast <em>restoration </em>to restore the lost Con point."</p><p></p><p>Which means, in-universe: "I'll cast <em>quest</em> on the kingpriest, ordering him to stop what he's doing and repair the damages he's caused in order to redeem himself in our eyes." You know, <em>quest</em>, the cleric spell specifically designed to get people who go against their god's edicts to change their behavior and atone for their sins. I'm sure being cast by a god means that the spell causes has an enormous penalty to the kingpriest's saving throw. And that's assuming the gods don't just <em>power word kill </em>him. And <em>that's </em>assuming that these gods even had to cast spells--I don't know what sort of powers 1e gods actually had beyond their spellcasting, but they may not have had to cast <em>anything. </em>They maybe could have just willed it into happening.</p><p></p><p>But if they can drop a mountain on millions of people, then they can <em>also </em>cast a spell pinpointing only the ringleader.</p><p></p><p>These sort of philosophical justifications only work if you're talking about real-world humans who only have human powers. Once you get the ability to manipulate time and space and reality at a whim, those justifications fail to justify anything.</p><p></p><p>Face it: the gods had a ton of options. The writers either weren't able or chose to not think outside their religious box. <em>That </em>is the only justification--the writers decided it. Which means other writers could decide it differently.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8844427, member: 6915329"] They are literally [I]gods[/I]. Their stats showed that they had the ability to cast the [I]wish [/I]spell multiple times each day--[I]without [/I]it getting monkey paw'd, because they have the literal gods of magic on their side--in addition to all of there other bazillion spells and godly powers. There is zero chance that a trolley problem of any scale is actually a problem for them. "Oh, I have to choose which people I can save? Well, I guess I'll just cast [I]time stop [/I]on myself, save these people here, then [I]teleport [/I]over there and save those people, then drop the [I]time stop[/I]. Everyone is safe." Or "I save these people, then cast [I]resurrection [/I]on those people, then cast [I]restoration [/I]to restore the lost Con point." Which means, in-universe: "I'll cast [I]quest[/I] on the kingpriest, ordering him to stop what he's doing and repair the damages he's caused in order to redeem himself in our eyes." You know, [I]quest[/I], the cleric spell specifically designed to get people who go against their god's edicts to change their behavior and atone for their sins. I'm sure being cast by a god means that the spell causes has an enormous penalty to the kingpriest's saving throw. And that's assuming the gods don't just [I]power word kill [/I]him. And [I]that's [/I]assuming that these gods even had to cast spells--I don't know what sort of powers 1e gods actually had beyond their spellcasting, but they may not have had to cast [I]anything. [/I]They maybe could have just willed it into happening.[I][/I] But if they can drop a mountain on millions of people, then they can [I]also [/I]cast a spell pinpointing only the ringleader. These sort of philosophical justifications only work if you're talking about real-world humans who only have human powers. Once you get the ability to manipulate time and space and reality at a whim, those justifications fail to justify anything. Face it: the gods had a ton of options. The writers either weren't able or chose to not think outside their religious box. [I]That [/I]is the only justification--the writers decided it. Which means other writers could decide it differently. [/QUOTE]
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