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<blockquote data-quote="Destil" data-source="post: 360677" data-attributes="member: 1980">This is from memory, but snatch uses the &quot;grapple with part of their body rules&quot; where you take a -20 to the grapple check and if you succede you are no considered &quot;grappled&quot;. It specificaly states that the dragon can carry creature off (and that they don't get saves vs. it's breath weapon, which has always seemed a bit much to me). Fly-by allows the dragon to do an arial spring attack, in effect. So Fly in, Snatch (touch attack then 1 grapple check to see if their caught, next round can deal damage), Fly out. Standard action.Only rules quaft that I could see is that the PC gets a AoO, and if it deals damage the dragon can't try a second grapple attempt, since they only get one attack on the fly-by. (I'm not saying this happened, I have no idea, but it's the part I'd forget, myself... and a good reason this isn't such a great move when you're dealing with a fighter type, save it for the mage).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Destil, post: 360677, member: 1980"] This is from memory, but snatch uses the "grapple with part of their body rules" where you take a -20 to the grapple check and if you succede you are no considered "grappled". It specificaly states that the dragon can carry creature off (and that they don't get saves vs. it's breath weapon, which has always seemed a bit much to me). Fly-by allows the dragon to do an arial spring attack, in effect. So Fly in, Snatch (touch attack then 1 grapple check to see if their caught, next round can deal damage), Fly out. Standard action. Only rules quaft that I could see is that the PC gets a AoO, and if it deals damage the dragon can't try a second grapple attempt, since they only get one attack on the fly-by. (I'm not saying this happened, I have no idea, but it's the part I'd forget, myself... and a good reason this isn't such a great move when you're dealing with a fighter type, save it for the mage). [/QUOTE]

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