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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 361244" data-attributes="member: 1134">So spring attack= instant death to all mages then.  The monk runs in grapples the mage, runs back to the party which then promtly beats the mage to death.  Hey I like this I don't have too do much now to wipe out individual party memebers, just have spring attack and a decent move.  Group up all you want and protect your people all you want I'll just run in steal one from the group, and run away to where he is all alone and defenseless.  Also I really have problems with dragons pulling this off because once they are big enough to carry someone off there flight is so crappy in maneuverability this kind of maneuver seems really unlikely.  Also add in the to grapple you have to move into opponents square, and when flying really clumsy while being really big like that means you probably enter everyone who is standing nearby's square as well which means a lot of AoO, all of which would seem to spoil your grapple attempt I'd think.Also I tend to think you should be warry of any tactic that is virtual instant death, with no fault on the PCS actions.  With virtually no way for the PC to resist except on a roll of a 20.  That doesn't make dragons BADD, that makes dragons Dm fiat, ha-ha I killed your PC.</blockquote>