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<blockquote data-quote="Corwin" data-source="post: 361312" data-attributes="member: 1560"><p>Hehe. Your grasp of the rules is undaunting. What does a monk using spring attack have to do with dragons and snatch? These are so unsimilar, it's baffling. At least not in the way your skewed example is trying to present.</p><p></p><p>Now, <strong>if</strong> you gave the monk improved grab, and he took a -20 to continue to act and move, then maybe. Good luck pulling that off though.</p><p></p><p>Not to mention the size conditions. I'm assuming your monk and wizard are both Medium. The Sage has made recommendations regarding moving a grappled opponent. It isn't automatic, to say the least. Unless, of course, you can sight a rule to show how this can be done as you suggest? I didn't think so.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yeah. All those rules regarding dragons not being able to fly when carrying anything...</p><p></p><p>Oh wait, that's not true at all.</p><p></p><p>Have you seen the rules for encumberance affecting flight maunueverability? With the dragon's strength, they can easily carry a full sized person without remotely approaching medium encumberance. The point at which they can no longer fly at all (per DotF errata changing it from being OK with Medium encumberance down to Light only).</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Wow. </p><p></p><p>First, as the Sage has recommended (and we do this in our group), larger creatures can chose to draw the smaller grappled target into their square instead. Seems intuitive to us, anyway.</p><p></p><p>Second, AFAIK, the only AOO that spoils a grapple is ther one from the target anyway. None of this applying since the dragon has reach and draws the target into its square.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah. Same can be said for death spells, well hidden poison traps, assassins, etc., right? Silly.</p><p></p><p>I'm sure the vehement opposition you present has <strong>nothing</strong> to do with the problems you have with me. Because that would be childish. I'll assume you really do have a problem with this issue on its merits and not your strong dislike of me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Corwin, post: 361312, member: 1560"] Hehe. Your grasp of the rules is undaunting. What does a monk using spring attack have to do with dragons and snatch? These are so unsimilar, it's baffling. At least not in the way your skewed example is trying to present. Now, [b]if[/b] you gave the monk improved grab, and he took a -20 to continue to act and move, then maybe. Good luck pulling that off though. Not to mention the size conditions. I'm assuming your monk and wizard are both Medium. The Sage has made recommendations regarding moving a grappled opponent. It isn't automatic, to say the least. Unless, of course, you can sight a rule to show how this can be done as you suggest? I didn't think so. Yeah. All those rules regarding dragons not being able to fly when carrying anything... Oh wait, that's not true at all. Have you seen the rules for encumberance affecting flight maunueverability? With the dragon's strength, they can easily carry a full sized person without remotely approaching medium encumberance. The point at which they can no longer fly at all (per DotF errata changing it from being OK with Medium encumberance down to Light only). Wow. First, as the Sage has recommended (and we do this in our group), larger creatures can chose to draw the smaller grappled target into their square instead. Seems intuitive to us, anyway. Second, AFAIK, the only AOO that spoils a grapple is ther one from the target anyway. None of this applying since the dragon has reach and draws the target into its square. Yeah. Same can be said for death spells, well hidden poison traps, assassins, etc., right? Silly. I'm sure the vehement opposition you present has [b]nothing[/b] to do with the problems you have with me. Because that would be childish. I'll assume you really do have a problem with this issue on its merits and not your strong dislike of me. [/QUOTE]
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