Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 361451" data-attributes="member: 1134">The only difference between snatch and an ordinary grapple attempt is instead of oppening with a touch attack, a successful ordinary attack auto gives you a grapple check, it is still the same number of actions.  As for the -20 under improved grab which is  all snatch is that isn't for adding movement it seems to be just for if you want to not be considered grappled yourself.  Now if I missed a line uner grapple that said if you successfully grapple you can't move unless you succeed at the grapple at a-20 well lah-dee-dah I missed a line.Did you read my post where I was talking about maneuverabilty and not encumbrance.  Onve they are biger than flying rats, they have maneverabilty of poor, and they eventually reach maneuverabilty clumsy.  Swooping down and snatching a target is difficult to pull off at this maneuverability because of the turn radius.  Not impossible, but tough.I missed that sage recomendation, it sounds logical to me.  Depends on the DCs, if they are well beyond what the PCs could logically defend against yeah it is a problem.  Especially considering the DM holds all the cards. If the DM makes the task to survive a encounter virtually impossible to survive, everyone minds as well put down there dice and sit back and listen to story telling time.You are the only ones with problems with people.  Though if you decide to keep attacking me I might develop a problem with you.</blockquote>

Verification