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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 361586" data-attributes="member: 1134">I would prefer to use bull rush for the monk situation as well.  I'm just pointing out that it appears to me by the rules if snatch which is basically just grappling on a successful attack can do it, just grappling could do it. Would it entail the -20 penalty on the grapple check, I honestly don't know.  If the sage clarified grapples I'd be happy to go with that, because I feel the PH grapple rules were  a bit unclear.  Heck one of my problems with grapple is that is seems to be the better version of all the various extra maneuvers, trip heck no once I got some skills, i'll grapple you and toss you to the ground, bull rush heck no I'll grapple you and run with you.  Though I personaly prefer the AB based method of handling situations like grapple as opposed to the attribute bonus method like trip.Now if grapple can't be sued to pick some-one up and run away, the question is why?  Snatch doesn't seem much different than grapple in rules effect.  And if grapple can be used, when can it be used, only when grappler is one size category larger, all the time, only if have improved grab type powers?And yes dragons should be able to snatch, and fly.  I was at 1st ?ing the ability to snatch and fly-by.  Because I was unsure of the number of actions needed to attain a level of hold where you could carry someone off.  Now I don't think it should be easy though, as I mentioned they have poor maneuverability.  I was surprised at how much of a limiter that can be if you actually bust out the math durring there moves.  One of my players who is much more math oriented than me did that during an encounter, I ended up missing the party in fly-by attacks because if I picked any more direct of an angle on the party I would have to either land or crash, neither of which seemed like a good idea with all their fighters on the ground. (side point I can't comprehend how little some parties devote to ranged combat, especialy after facing some ariel opponents.)</blockquote>

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