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<blockquote data-quote="AuraSeer" data-source="post: 361603" data-attributes="member: 1331">Well, once you peel off that nice shiny armor and mount in on a stand, you've got to do something with the bits of fighter that are left over. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />From reading the OP, it doesn't look that way. The player read a MM quote saying that dragons don't &quot;favor&quot; grapples, and based on that, tried to argue that a dragon would never grapple. Unfortunately for his PC, he simply hasn't got a leg to stand on.First off, even if dragons don't &quot;favor&quot; grapples, nothing says they won't use them in an appropriate situation. My sorcerer PC doesn't favor hand-to-hand combat, but if he ever ran out of spells and got trapped in melee range, he'd draw his mace and try to crack some skulls.Second, as far as monster behavior goes, the MM only describes the baseline for any species. There are bound to be exceptions to every rule. You might encounter a city of civilized trolls, or a tribe of pacifist hobgoblins, or some dragons who think that grapple attacks are just the most fun ever. All that is for the DM to decide, because it's his world. The players have no standing to say &quot;those monsters can't behave that way.&quot;Third, this specific dragon has the Snatch feat, which grants him a special attack using the grapple rules. Trying to claim that he will never use the special ability is just silly.The player's being a weenie, trying to retcon his PC's death by finding a rules-lawyery loophole. Aside from the sheer tackiness of it, his attempt is a failure, because the occurrence is not prohibited by either the rules or even common sense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AuraSeer, post: 361603, member: 1331"] Well, once you peel off that nice shiny armor and mount in on a stand, you've got to do [u]something[/u] with the bits of fighter that are left over. ;) From reading the OP, it doesn't look that way. The player read a MM quote saying that dragons don't "favor" grapples, and based on that, tried to argue that a dragon would [u]never[/u] grapple. Unfortunately for his PC, he simply hasn't got a leg to stand on. First off, even if dragons don't "favor" grapples, nothing says they won't use them in an appropriate situation. My sorcerer PC doesn't favor hand-to-hand combat, but if he ever ran out of spells and got trapped in melee range, he'd draw his mace and try to crack some skulls. Second, as far as monster behavior goes, the MM only describes the baseline for any species. There are bound to be exceptions to every rule. You might encounter a city of civilized trolls, or a tribe of pacifist hobgoblins, or some dragons who think that grapple attacks are just the most fun ever. All that is for the DM to decide, because it's his world. The players have no standing to say "those monsters can't behave that way." Third, this specific dragon has the Snatch feat, which grants him a special attack using the grapple rules. Trying to claim that he will never use the special ability is just silly. The player's being a weenie, trying to retcon his PC's death by finding a rules-lawyery loophole. Aside from the sheer tackiness of it, his attempt is a failure, because the occurrence is not prohibited by either the rules or even common sense. [/QUOTE]

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