Dungeon Crasher fighter + Knockback?

[Veven1290]

The issue i am having is whether or not Knock Back (RoS) and Dungeon Crasher Fighter (Dungeonscape) work together..It seems like with a +22 str mod i can bull rush someone into a wall 35 feet away for about 95 damage the one thing that makes me think that may not be doable is this section of the Dungeon Crasher description, "Your momentum crushes him against [the wall]"

Mechanically i should be able to send people flying with my club into walls for lots of damage but that little clause there makes me question the viability of this idea. How would you rule that as a DM? would i need to actually use my body to bull rush him?

also, this is probably a no, but would i be able to repeatedly bull rush him into the same wall? I am pretty sure he actually needs to be moved for Dungeon Crasher to take effect, but you never know

 

[Dandu]

Can't you send someone flying with Dungeoncrasher?

 

[Veven1290]

Can't you send someone flying with Dungeoncrasher?

from my understanding, no. In a typical bull rush you can move someone further than 5 feet but you have to move with them. Knock Back lets you get a free bull rush with a power attack and if you win the str check they still get pushed back (as far as your check dictates) but you don't move with them.

Dungeon Crasher doesn't seem to have anything pointing towards a similar ability, just the ability to push people into walls on a bull rush.

Knock back is still a bull rush so i feel that it should work but again, it's just that "your momentum crushes him" part that makes me unsure.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

I'd say you need to actually move with them and crush them into the wall. It's not just the momentum of you sending them flying into the wall, you crushing them into it like boarding someone in ice hockey plays a part.

As for your last question, yeah, I'm pretty sure if they're already against the wall you can't move them that way and thus cannot use dungeoncrasher until you maneuver around the side of the person (5 ft step works fine in a lot of situations) and starts shoving them towards a new wall.

 

[killem2]

from my understanding, no. In a typical bull rush you can move someone further than 5 feet but you have to move with them. Knock Back lets you get a free bull rush with a power attack and if you win the str check they still get pushed back (as far as your check dictates) but you don't move with them.

Dungeon Crasher doesn't seem to have anything pointing towards a similar ability, just the ability to push people into walls on a bull rush.

Knock back is still a bull rush so i feel that it should work but again, it's just that "your momentum crushes him" part that makes me unsure.

You mean, the fact that your sheer strength isn't doing that for you? Not that it matters, it is a ridiculous thing to try and argue momentum is a rule.

A bull rush, is a bull rush. Key words are key words. A dungeon crasher can use knock back to slam someone into a wall, rules are plain as day, stop trying to use fluff as RAW. It's embarrassing.