Dungeon Magazine: New Format, New Subscription Price

WizarDru said:
Dumb Question: Is it supposed to be useful for non-D&D players? Other than D&D mini players, that is? ;)

That depends on what you mean by "supposed to." Do the current publishers make any claim that it is for RPers other than D&D players? No. Has it had any real support for non-D&D players for, oh, 5 years? No. Do i think there are any RPers out there under the misapprehension that Dragon is a general RPing mag? No. Do i think that the flagship RPG magazine, the only one with any mainstream exposure, and, really, pretty much the only print RPG mag, should have some value to RPers in general, not just D&D players? Yes. Do i think it can be done? Yes--i have 16+ years of Dragon magazines to prove it. Not to mention several years of Arcane, Shadis, Familiar, White Wolf, and others. Now, admittedly, things have changed in the last decade, due to the 'Web, among other things, so print magazines (Dragon or otherwise) are not anywhere near the only medium for shared culture among RPers. And this sort of factionalization seems to have occurred at an accelerating pace in everything, not just RPGs--look at the number of specialized sports magazines or cable channels compared to 15, or even just 5, years ago.

Nonetheless, i think it is vital for the health of not only the RPG hobby as a whole, but that of the D&D-playing segment of that hobby, that there is real crossover between D&D- and other RPers. And i think that it is partly the responsibility of the owner of the lion's share of the market to see to this. Look at it this way: most RPers will start with D&D, due to brand awareness and availability and popularity. Some fair portion of those won't like D&D for reasons that are part of D&D in particular, but not of RPGs in general. Would you rather those people, when they get sick of D&D, stop RPing altogether, or switch to a different RPG? Which do you think is better for the RPG market as a whole? It seems to me that there are enough commonalities among players of RPGs that they all feed into similar markets, even if they're not playing the same RPG.

Anyway, even very crunch-heavy D&D3E articles can be highly useful to RPers who play other systems, or even genres. But the less fluff is in the article, the less likely it is to appeal to someone who plays another system--if all the article is doing is providing game stats, well, that's exactly the part someone will have to alter or toss or ignore to use it in their system of choice. Moreover, the sort of crunch that has apparently become the most popular is the least-useful to other gamers. I can use cool new spells in any system that has magic, and even a lot that don't. Cool new feats, however, are much less likely to be useful, even as inspiration. A cool new prestige class, with a neat background and so on, might be very useable in another system, setting, and/or genre. But something that is almost-purely a mechanical artifact (like the Mystic Theurge) is pretty much useless outside of the context of the mechanics it is designed for.
 

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woodelf said:
Do i think that the flagship RPG magazine, the only one with any mainstream exposure, and, really, pretty much the only print RPG mag, should have some value to RPers in general, not just D&D players? Yes. Do i think it can be done? Yes--i have 16+ years of Dragon magazines to prove it.
I'd prefer for Paizo to do whatever will keep them in business. I mean, the readership of Dungeon overwhelmingly voted to eliminate Polyhedron, i.e., they don't even want d20 content in there. They want D&D.

Considering the complaint mail Dragon already gets from Joe Gamer when they include D&D content that doesn't satisfy them, I'd hate to see what their mailbox (or their balance sheet) would look like if they started devoting space to, e.g., GURPS or WoD articles.

D&D is played by 40% of the gaming polulace. It's a HUGE brand. It's deserving of magazines dedicated solely to it. Players of other games have plenty of resources available to them. They may not all be print resources, but, hey, welcome to the 21st century.
 


buzz said:
D&D is played by 40% of the gaming polulace. It's a HUGE brand. It's deserving of magazines dedicated solely to it. Players of other games have plenty of resources available to them. They may not all be print resources, but, hey, welcome to the 21st century.
Only 40? That WOTC survey they did in 1999 said 66% (with multiple choices allowed, so the total sum came out to more than 100). And although some nifty other RPGs have been released since (notably Exalted), I doubt 3e has lost marketshare for D&D.
 


Erik Erik Erik

First, I love the new format and the changes to the new Dungeon. I personally think it's the best so far and make alot of sense with what you have done.

My only question is are we going to get any more monster/player tokens? Even just once a year would be great. They are the best thing to happen rpg's in along time and the mass market ones being sold out there just are not the same quality! Could you let us know either way?

Gallo22
 

Gallo22 said:
My only question is are we going to get any more monster/player tokens? Even just once a year would be great. They are the best thing to happen rpg's in along time and the mass market ones being sold out there just are not the same quality! Could you let us know either way?

To each his own. I didn't like the previous tokens at all and my gaming circle uses minatures for everything.

My "One True Love" bonus goodie is the pull out poster map. Just like the current issue has for the Isle of Dread.

Even if I never, ever will use it - I love poster maps. That falls into the distinct category of gaming accessories known as "neat stuff".

The more useful they are, the "neater" they are of course.

I know these things are expensive and you can't do em all the time, but I love em just the same.
 
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JoeBlank said:
Was there any thought given to a discount for subscribers to Dungeon and Dragon? Or what about a big package deals that includes Amazing Stories?
There is a slight "package" discount if you subscribe to both with the same invoice (I just did so, re-upped Dragon for 3 years and Dungeon for 1 year, and got $4 off the total).
 


Pseudo-Retro Logo Has to Go

I am pretty sure others have said this already, but I really do not like the new logo.

It looks like a cross between a Brady Bunch advertisement and a bad science fiction novel.

Frankly, the previous 3E logo was really cool. They should have kept it.
 
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