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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8734875" data-attributes="member: 67338">Okay, I have to look up vampiric touch now...compared to fireball against 2 targets you deal average 28/14 fire damage per person so 56/42/28 depending on save... how many hits does it take with 3d6 to match that? avg 11... so 3 hits over 3 rounds would deal 33 average damage but also heal you 15hp (round down each time) so in a fight that lasts 3 rounds and you can hold concenration for 3 rounds fireball is much better becuse you can still use cantrips the other 2 actions.lets compare to a melee warlock and a melee fighter... both have 2 attacks  with a long  sword and we will give the fighter +1 more to hit and damage... so warlock deals 1d8+3 per hit with 6 attacks and give he fighter an action surge for 1d8+4 8 attacks... so warlock makes 7 damage per attack and fighter 8 (remember fighter his also 1 higher to hit) how many attacks need to hit?  35 damage for the warlock is if 5 out of 6 attacks hit, and 32 damage is for the fighter if 4 out of 8 attacks hit... so over 3 rounds (useing the action surge) the fighter can if they hit with half or more of there attacks deal about as much damage as the wizard does with 1 fireball...</blockquote>