Eaglesford Campaign: "Strange Lights"

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Session #18: How to hurt a dwarven battlerager, in 6 seconds or less.....

RL evening of Oct 1, 2003

Forming up into their usual marching order, the adventurers continued around the bending corridor, towards where their kobold guide told them was the kobold lair’s secret door.

"Just around this bend here?" Riva asked Kytum-up, practicing his recently acquired draconic language skills.

"Yes. My people used the rubble of this place to cover it, so it is undetectable to you surface dwellers," the kobold holy warrior nodded sagely. "Even those despicable goblins could not have found it. As you see....waaahhh!" <Crash!>

Kytum-up and Riva lay sprawled on the floor, unable to keep their footing on the rubble covered floor.

Rowan helped them up. "Be careful! That was louder than most of those dwarvish battle-cries you use, Riva!" Rowan made a mental note to learn the dwarvish oaths Riva was using as he stood.

"What’s going on up there?" asked Garret, at the back of the party. Even mounted on his faithful war-dog Bavic, he couldn’t see what was going on, what with the spacing of the others, the curving of the passage, and the lack of bright light.. Lissia turned to him, torch in hand, and shrugged.

Grumbling, and moving a bit more slowly, Riva crept along, with the rest of the party in tow. The stonework block passage opened into a room. Riva looked within, using his darkvision; it was a small rectangular room, much like the one they had just left, with rubble piled high against the right and the left walls. Another curving passage led out the other side.

Well behind Riva, Kytum-up had stopped, and had started gesticulated wildly and sputtering in draconic: "It was here! Right here! There’s supposed to be the pile of rubble here, blocking the passage! ......That’s not possible....they didn’t know it was here....they moved it! How could they find it?....We had covered it when we fled from the strange light....But we covered it well! Filikik-yip helped! How can this be?......"

Rowan and Thaile, behind the kobold, looked on in awe. They had never seen the stoic kobold lose his composure so completely. Rowan whispered to Thaile, "Looks like the ‘secret door’ isn’t as secret as someone thought, huh?"

"What’s going on?" shouted Garret from the back of the party.

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Within the room they found the stone block that served as the trap door into the kobold’s lair. It may have once been cleverly hidden and covered in rubble.......but now it was bare, poorly fit over the hole, and painfully obvious. The conclusion was unmistakable: the goblins had taken the kobold’s lair as their own, and now they lived down below.

Unwilling to leave any unexplored passages behind them, the party decided to explore the rest of this level of Alderslook, before descending to the next. (Rule #1 from the Temple of Elemental Evil: "NEVER adventure beneath a level you haven't cleared." (Psssssst! The un-initiated may want to look here.) The hall beyond this room narrowed, choked with rubble. Riva, given his large, imposing dwarvish stature, deferred to Kytum-up and the halfling paladin. Kytum-up became stuck several times, but eventually the pair of (size Small!) heroes made it past the blockage. As they expected, the hall curved for a short while, then opened again into another rectangular room, with the curved passage continuing on the other side. (That passage turned out to be blocked, presumably because of the collapsed tower that was above it.) To the pair’s right was an empty alcove, perhaps for some statuary, while to their left rose a stair, now completely sealed with ancient collapsed blocks. When they listened carefully at the blocked stair, they could hear birds chirping, far off above them.

The two holy warriors returned to the party, and shared what they saw.

"Not much in this level, eh?" asked Riva. "Well, then, down we go!" Riva wrenched open the stone serving as a trap door. Below it was a shaft, perhaps 5’ long, that opened into the ceiling of an 8 foot tall hallway that passed below them. Crude hand- and foot-holds had been carved into the rock; the climb would not be difficult. Riva took the lead and climbed down.

At the bottom was a straight hall, 5 foot wide. They had climbed through a poorly carved hole in it’s ceiling, 8 feet above. In one direction, the hall ended after 10 feet in a smooth stone wall, with a mound of stone rubble in front of it. In the other direction, the hall ran for 10 feet or so, then descended a steep stair. Riva walked to the edge of the stair as Kytum-up climbed down the ladder behind him. The stair was only 12 feet long, or so, and at the bottom Riva could make out three passages: straight, right, and left. The halls to the right and left were narrower, and filled with stone rubble, the passage straight ahead was clear, but had a shallow pool of water filling it.

Riva and Kytum-up walked down the stairs. And if their companions called on them to wait until everyone had climbed down, the dwarf and the kobold did not hear them.

"Eh. We’ll just explore a bit while they lower that halfling’s dog down," said Riva. "Just to see what else there is......"

Standing on the last step of the stairs, the dwarf could now see the length of the hall straight ahead. It was only 20 feet long, and ended in.....the dwarf scowled with uncertainty....the hall ended in a thin, red silk curtain! Small white flowers dotted its surface. As the light from his companions torch began to filter down behind him, Riva could see the silk cloth was stained and tattered, with large patches of mud along its bottom edge.

Of course, while Riva stood admiring the curtain, all sorts of things began to happen.

A thin goblin arm snaked out of the curtain, and drew it aside. Standing behind it were two goblins, crossbows loaded and aimed at the dwarf. One of them fired at Riva, scoring a hit....a sneaky hit, one that did far more damage to the battlerager than he expected! But if that’s all there was....well, the dwarf could take it. Sneaky or no, it would take far more than a few well-aimed crossbow bolts to take down Riva!

That’s when Riva’s eyes lit upon what was squatting behind the two goblin archers: one heck of a really big crossbow. Wow, was this sucker big. And it was loaded. And it was aimed squarely at him. And yes, the tip of the ballista bolt was dripping with some sort of black icky stuff.

"Yep," thought Riva, as he gritted his teeth, "this is gonna hurt."

It did. The ballista bolt slammed into the battleragers side. Riva was still standing, and he had shaken off the poison, but still, no doubt about it: it hurt.

At that moment the other goblin crossbow man shot. He must have been laughing a bit at the dwarf’s obvious pain, as his bolt sailed wide. No matter; the goblin reached out, and shut the curtain.

"Hey now!" shouted the dwarf to the blank curtain wall in front of him, "You don’t get away that easily!"

The dwarf raged, hoisted his axe, and stepped forward to charge.

Then all sorts of other things began to happen.
  • Below the inch pool of water, caltrops had been cleverly hidden. Riva stepped on one, instantly cutting his move in half.
  • The bottom of the floor was covered with some sort of grease. Riva nearly, but not quite, lost his balance. ....And his move was halved again.
  • The walls to his right and left, the supposedly rubble blocked passages, burst open, to reveal a goblin to either side, wielding viciously barbed morning stars and well-crafted armor and shields. They stood higher than Riva, and had a solid 'half wall' between themselves and the dwarf.
  • Behind the goblins with morning stars, standing on even higher ground (a stairs) were two other goblins, wielding long spears. They seemed well trained in the art of fighting from the second rank.
  • .....and as if that wasn’t bad enough, all four (flanking) goblins seemed quite proficient in the art of the sneak attack.

While their brethren proceeded to cut Riva to ribbons, the two goblins behind the curtain drew it back again and, to add insult to injury, threw tanglefoot bags at the dwarf, alchemically pinning him to the spot. Riva could see two other goblins quickly reloading the ballista. It would be ready to fire soon. The curtain closed again.

*************

Anyone want to volunteer for dwarf duty?

More of Session #18 to come!
 

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Nail said:
Regardless, I always take these sorts of criticisms seriously, and I will carefully think over what the goblins are doing, planning, have available, know about their situation, etc. I have some former gaming friends that I'll run this by as well. We'll see!

.....I'm getting way too serious here. :p Game on, man! :cool:
Hey, it's all good! I think, though, we're going to have to respect that we have different views of their actions.

You are the only one blessed (hopefully) with a complete understanding of the situation. Garret can only deal with those facts presented and try to put them together in a way that makes sense. Early on, the goblins were acting as expected. The last few battles have, to me, shown them with very different tactics.

I will admit that a lot of my difference of opinion stems from the placement of those 4 flanking goblins. You're right that they didn't have to reveal themselves, and you're also right that they may have thought they had the upper hand. However, the tide of battle turned against them fairly quickly, AFTER they'd revealed themselves. Faced with opponents they couldn't likely beat (which I hope they realized after losing their advantages of numbers & surprise, as well as their leader) they kept on fighting LONG...let me say that again...LONG after I thought they'd give up or try to make a break for it.

Those were my thoughts during the battle. Finding out immediately afterward that the goblins started out in dead end positions was a very nice powdered sugar icing on the cake. Goblins aren't the brightest, agreed, but given their cowardly sense of self-preservation I just can't believe most goblins would stay in that kind of position.

You think suicidal is too strong of a word. I don't use it lightly. If they didn't reveal themselves and if they weren't discovered and if they were able to stop a group of attackers that has not only made it through their patrols, camps, watchposts but penetrated the depths of their keep...THEN they would have nothing to worry about being up that creek without a paddle (or a corridor without an escape hatch).

I give them more credit than that. They aren't that stupid, IMO. So I'm left looking for reasons why they'd agree to such a foolhardy plan. With Garret's training and background he believes they must be well-disciplined soldiers who are willing to lay down their lives following orders.

That's not a Neutral Evil type of creature.

DrSpunj
 
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A lot of good points have been made.. and Riva is sure eager to teach those dastardly goblins a lesson for that ambush of theirs.. But I have a question about the "ballista"..

What stats are you using for the ballista? How much damage does it do, how is it reloaded, how quickly can it be reloaded, and what strength does it take to use? How quickly can it be fired?

How heavy is the whole apparatus? Since a pair of winches (if I recall correctly) are being used, and goblins are (usually) much weaker than 10 Str, how long would it actually take to prep it for fire? And more importantly, who taught them how?

How heavy is it? Does it have wheels to help them reposition? Riva wonders if he has finally found a missile weapon worthy of his use? *grins*

Is this technically just a large sized crossbow on a tripod? We know it fires standard javelins, though the damage is greater...

(yes, I am a dwarf, and this is my portable artillery!) *laughs*
 

DrSpunj said:
...... and if they were able to stop a group of attackers that has not only made it through their patrols, camps, watchposts but penetrated the depths of their keep....
Here's that assumption I was talking about. Replace "if they were able" to "if they knew".

DrSpunj said:
With Garret's training and background he believes they must be well-disciplined soldiers who are willing to lay down their lives following orders.

That's not a Neutral Evil type of creature.
Let me see if I understand: well-disciplined soldiers willing to lay down their lives must be Lawful Good? (Setting aside, for a moment, the argument of whether or not they knew they were in grave danger.) Put another way: Can you see how their actions might be consistent with Neutral Evil?

In any event, it's only one encounter. I'm sure I can redeem their Neutral Evilness, if I put my mind to it. Working..... :D
 

Nail said:
Here's that assumption I was talking about. Replace "if they were able" to "if they knew".
Fair enough. That's very much within that "whole picture" concept you should have that I lack. I'm just giving my/Garret's viewpoint here.

Nail said:
Let me see if I understand: well-disciplined soldiers willing to lay down their lives must be Lawful Good? (Setting aside, for a moment, the argument of whether or not they knew they were in grave danger.) Put another way: Can you see how their actions might be consistent with Neutral Evil?
Absolutely not. I never claimed Lawful Good, just Lawful. On the whole, an organized group of individuals acting in concert that continues to work towards their agreed upon goal despite losing more and more of their number are...not Neutral Evil. :) A group comprised of Neutral Evil individuals I can see organizing an ambush like this, but as soon as the tide of battle turns against them, I see them scattering. Those backed into corners I expect to scatter much earlier (perhaps as soon as their leader steps away).

Let me also answer you with another quote:

3.5 SRD said:
Neutral Evil: A neutral evil villain does whatever she can get away with. She is out for herself, pure and simple.
Goblins without an escape plan don't fit this bill to me. As we've both said before, YMMV. :D

EDIT: Clarified by adding Evil to Neutral since morality does affect the situation.
 
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DrSpunj said:
Absolutely not. I never claimed Lawful Good, just Lawful. On the whole, an organized group of individuals acting in concert that continues to work towards their agreed upon goal despite losing more and more of their number are...not Neutral. :)

While I would be surprised to see Goblins act like this, I have to disagree that disciplined and ferocious defence of your home (or of anything you feel strongly about) is an essentially lawful act. Elves are quintessentially chaotic, but I can readily see them fighting and dying with no thought of retreat, for the right cause. Ditto any number of CE, NE or N creatures. It's the fact that it's Goblins doing this - cowardly, sneaky types that they are - that is surprising.

Surprising, but not impossible. Unusual circumstances lead to unusual behaviour. At this stage, I'd just take it on trust that Nail has his reasons, and prepare yourselves for more tough fights in the near future :D
 

Capellan said:
While I would be surprised to see Goblins act like this, I have to disagree that disciplined and ferocious defence of your home (or of anything you feel strongly about) is an essentially lawful act. Elves are quintessentially chaotic, but I can readily see them fighting and dying with no thought of retreat, for the right cause.
So can I, because they are Chaotic Good creatures. Being good changes the equation significantly, IMO. I have a very difficult time ascribing such behavior to Chaotic Evil creatures, say Orcs, for example, without the presence of a strong, bullying leader leading the battle (and him I expect to bug out long before his flunkies are toast, if at all possible).

Capellan said:
Surprising, but not impossible. Unusual circumstances lead to unusual behaviour. At this stage, I'd just take it on trust that Nail has his reasons, and prepare yourselves for more tough fights in the near future :D
Right! :D

I just don't want to be reading any more into their behavior than Nail is trying to portray. Early on when we ran into the kobolds he made it very clear that these kobolds were acting very differently than what we know/heard/expect from kobolds in general. He made it very clear that the basics about any given race (like kobolds and goblins) generally follow the information found in the Monster Manual, and that if something happened different than what we expected, there was probably a reason for it.

Well, the goblins have been acting much different than I expect, hence my confusion. If it's purposeful and part of the story, great! I'll be happy to see the whole picture as it unfolds. However, a few early comments from Nail when I brought the issue up led me to believe we were seeing things differently.

As he said before: Game on, man! :cool:
 

DrSpunj said:
Well, the goblins have been acting much different than I expect, hence my confusion. If it's purposeful and part of the story, great! I'll be happy to see the whole picture as it unfolds.
Right. I want y'all to be able to make logical deductions like that.

I've talked to another gaming friend of mine, giving him the complete picture, and although he's a great guy otherwise, he doesn't completely agree with my interpretation. :( Next time I'll ask Capellan! :)

Ah well.

Tell ya what: we'll run this thing through the rest of the way, and then discuss how it "should" have been. :D
 
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Videssian said:
..... But I have a question about the "ballista".....
It is a Size Large, Heavy, Masterwork, Crossbow, mounted on a battered (once masterwork) tripod.

One or two goblins have also kindly carved their names (or something) into the stock, as well as a few symbols that might be human stick figures, with "X" through them. There are 6 figures with "X" through them.
 

Was that a Goblin large crossbow? Or a human large crossbow? Did the goblins have proficiency in it? Or was that another penalty?

Sorry, not a comment about your DMing, Nail. More a comment about the new complexity added into 3.5. Not that you are using 3.5 but still . . .

Love the Xed out stick figures on the stock! Funny! Great stuff! Thanks for posting! Can't wait to read more!

Have a good day!

edg
 

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