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<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 5618727" data-attributes="member: 2198"><p>So there are no fallen paladins in D&D?</p><p></p><p>Alignment as some cosmic force doesn't really fly in Eberron, IMO. Or in any game that I've ever played in. Evil characters are evil because they're willing to hurt others to get what they want. They generally don't (cultists excluded) choose to align themselves with "cosmic evil."</p><p></p><p>All of those methods can be fooled, even the Holy Avenger. Detect spells can be fooled. Zone of truth and discern lies can be fooled. Every magic trump card can be trumped itself, or is simply unreliable (i.e. anything that allows a saving throw).</p><p></p><p>But more than that, being "evil" is not in itself grounds for execution in a civil society. There are all kinds of compromises that are necessary to wield power, and the authorities may not appreciate when some zealot kills one of their political allies. Or kills one of their wealthy benefactors. Or slays the head of the local criminal underworld, who had cooperated with the authorities to keep crime at an acceptable level. Or murders a respected businessman, with no proof of any actual wrongdoing. And that's assuming that the people at the top are not evil themselves... It's fine to say, "I'm a paladin! The gods speak through me, and that person deserved to be cut down in cold blood," but it's not necessarily going to save you from the dungeon or a noose for pissing off the wrong people.</p><p></p><p>100% agreement here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 5618727, member: 2198"] So there are no fallen paladins in D&D? Alignment as some cosmic force doesn't really fly in Eberron, IMO. Or in any game that I've ever played in. Evil characters are evil because they're willing to hurt others to get what they want. They generally don't (cultists excluded) choose to align themselves with "cosmic evil." All of those methods can be fooled, even the Holy Avenger. Detect spells can be fooled. Zone of truth and discern lies can be fooled. Every magic trump card can be trumped itself, or is simply unreliable (i.e. anything that allows a saving throw). But more than that, being "evil" is not in itself grounds for execution in a civil society. There are all kinds of compromises that are necessary to wield power, and the authorities may not appreciate when some zealot kills one of their political allies. Or kills one of their wealthy benefactors. Or slays the head of the local criminal underworld, who had cooperated with the authorities to keep crime at an acceptable level. Or murders a respected businessman, with no proof of any actual wrongdoing. And that's assuming that the people at the top are not evil themselves... It's fine to say, "I'm a paladin! The gods speak through me, and that person deserved to be cut down in cold blood," but it's not necessarily going to save you from the dungeon or a noose for pissing off the wrong people. 100% agreement here. [/QUOTE]
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