Eberron Questions

Glyfair said:
My point isn't directly about the novels. The novels specifically aren't canon.
Just as a point: I don't know if that's actually true.

I know it's true in MY novels, because there's an important magic item which appears in Secrets of Xen'drik which intentionally says nothing about the events surrounding it in its appearance in The Dreaming Dark trilogy.

For me, one of the foundational aspects of Eberron since the very begining is that if the world is a novel or a movie, your PCs are the heroes. I don't want you overshadowed by novel characters. For me, events in a novel should serve as inspiration; this COULD happen in my campaign, but MY players would be the hero. Thus the item in SoX/TDD - I want YOUR players to be able to get that artifact, and the story that evolves as a result may be entirely different from what happens in The Shattered Land.

But that's MY preference. I've said in a lot of places that it's what I prefer, and that it's how *I* will write things. But I don't know that WotC itself has even made this official.

Onto the question of RSE, and "Does a setting need RSE in novels to succeed"... in my opinion, a story doesn't need to be earth-shattering to be successful. The original one sentence description of Eberron was "Lord of the Rings meets Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Maltese Falcon."

I like all three of those stories, and each one is completely different.

The Maltese Falcon is ENTIRELY self-contained. It affects the lives of a half-dozen fairly amoral people. No one else in the city, let alone the world, is affected by the outcome of the story. But it's a great story. While I certainly wouldn't put my own writing skills on that level, for me City of Towers and "Principles of Fire" all fall into this category - a few days in the lives of people in Sharn. And "Principles of Fire" is my personal favorite of everything I've written to this point.

Raiders of the Lost Ark is the "Toys in the Box" story. It DOES involve a threat to the entire world: what could happen if the Nazis are able to harness the amazing powers of the Ark? But in the end (shocking spoilers ahead!) they fail, and the Ark is taken away by "Top Men". It's dramatic, it's over the top... and ultimately, no one in the world knows about it except for Indy and Marian. That's the remaining two novels of The Dreaming Dark. You COULD decide to make them canon, and it still wouldn't require you to throw out anything in the ECS. It presents an EXPANDED threat... but a threat that the rest of the world knows nothing about.

Finally, we have Lords of the Rings - the true, world-shaking, epic series. I'm not opposed to events of this magnitude happening in Eberron. But when they happen, I want YOU to be driving them. Even if you aren't the prime movers, I at least want you to be at the heart of the action. Eberron is based on that idea that YOU are among the most remarkable people of the age, whether you are heroes our villains.

As a result, *I* prefer to write stories closer to Raiders or The Maltese Falcon. I want novels to INSPIRE your adventures; I don't want them to end up making your characters sit on the sidelines while someone else makes a real difference in the world.
 

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Hellcow said:
Just as a point: I don't know if that's actually true.

I vaguely remember a comment to that effect from other quarters. It was about the time of the Crimson Talisman gaffe.

As a result, *I* prefer to write stories closer to Raiders or The Maltese Falcon. I want novels to INSPIRE your adventures; I don't want them to end up making your characters sit on the sidelines while someone else makes a real difference in the world.

I agree.

As a related aside, one of my favorite published adventures was a Runequest adventure published in the Tales of the Reaching Moon fanzine. "The Hut of Darkness" was a nice combination of The African Queen & Apocalypse Npw, without being a railroad "follow the movie" scenario.
 


Hellcow said:
For me, one of the foundational aspects of Eberron since the very begining is that if the world is a novel or a movie, your PCs are the heroes. I don't want you overshadowed by novel characters. For me, events in a novel should serve as inspiration; this COULD happen in my campaign, but MY players would be the hero.

That's one of the many reasons why I like Eberron so much, because it fits perfectly with my DMing preference. I've seen many posts on these boards complaining about the supposed 3e emphasis on the idea that the PCs are unique and special little snowflakes. Damn right they are - in my game. They're the people who my game is about, they're the people who are there every session, they're the people my players created to see the game world through, and they sure as hell are going to be the heart and soul of the campaign. Plus making them the heroes means they suffer more than anyone else, which is always a bonus :)

Vorput said:
Wow... and to think I started this thread just wanting to know if Eberron was round! :p

You know what they say about best laid plans. Heck, my PCs just wanted to take a trip to Xen'drik to get away from the trouble in Sharn, and you know what happened to them.
 

Glyfair said:
My point isn't directly about the novels. The novels specifically aren't canon.

In Forge of War, we get the stats for the Ramathene Sword, and it mentions the happenings in Claws of the Tiger. So to some extent they could be considered so. that is what I like about the Eberron novels I've read so far. Every single one of them has stuff that my PC's could and have done. They don't pull weird deux ex machinas, they don't fill the books with weird special races and classes for the heroes: these people ARE normal ol' Eberron PCs at around 4-7 level save for that one woman in the Dragon Below books that manifests a Siberys mark.
 
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WayneLigon said:
In Forge of War, we get the stats for the Ramathene Sword, and it mentions the happenings in Claws of the Tiger. So to some extent they could be considered so.
And by comparison, in Secrets of Xen'drik you get the stats for the docent Shira, but it DOESN'T mention the happenings of The Shattered Land or The Gates of Night (which, if they occured, would certainly prevent your players from ever getting their hands on Shira). I consider the SOURCEBOOKS to be canon... which means that I consider the existence of SHIRA to be canon. But whether she's ever found, what actions she takes in the world - that's up to you.

But this is exactly my point. James (Wyatt) wrote Claws of the Tiger. I'm sure it was James who put the Ramathene Sword in FoW. So HE may consider all of the events of CotT to be canon. I can speak for MY novels and preferences, but not for anyone else.
 


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